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Old 10-05-2011, 10:36 AM   #1101
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I can't remember if thsi question was raised earlier in the thread and I can't see why it would be an issue...

Can you fast chill (IC or CFC or whatever) after boil and still transfer to a cube for later pitching?

If the answer yes, I am going to see how my HopDevil experiment turns out. If I find that the hops are off (namely flavoring), then I may just go back to my IC but cube the beer rather than pitch right away. Quick dunk in a tub of oxyclean and then clean water really isn't that bad. The CFC...that's a different story!

FYI...I think the longest I would aver wait to pitch would be about 2 weeks.

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Old 10-05-2011, 11:16 AM   #1102
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I can't remember if thsi question was raised earlier in the thread and I can't see why it would be an issue...

Can you fast chill (IC or CFC or whatever) after boil and still transfer to a cube for later pitching?

If the answer yes, I am going to see how my HopDevil experiment turns out. If I find that the hops are off (namely flavoring), then I may just go back to my IC but cube the beer rather than pitch right away. Quick dunk in a tub of oxyclean and then clean water really isn't that bad. The CFC...that's a different story!

FYI...I think the longest I would aver wait to pitch would be about 2 weeks.

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No, you cannot fast chill, transfer to a cube and wait to pitch (not more than a few hours anyways). This is why it is called NO CHILL brewing. The wort needs to be very hot going into the cube to sanitize the cube and the little bit of air still in the cube. If you chill it first, you are no longer no chill brewing.
It's similar to canning vegetables - the heat sanitizes and then it's sealed to prevent anything bad from getting in the container. If you transfer when it's cool it will not be sanitary in the cube and your wort could and likely would go bad.


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Old 10-05-2011, 11:43 AM   #1103
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No, you cannot fast chill, transfer to a cube and wait to pitch (not more than a few hours anyways). This is why it is called NO CHILL brewing. The wort needs to be very hot going into the cube to sanitize the cube and the little bit of air still in the cube. If you chill it first, you are no longer no chill brewing.
It's similar to canning vegetables - the heat sanitizes and then it's sealed to prevent anything bad from getting in the container. If you transfer when it's cool it will not be sanitary in the cube and your wort could and likely would go bad.
What if he sanitizes the cube first?
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Old 10-05-2011, 11:47 AM   #1104
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What if he sanitizes the cube first?
I always do this...boiling wort or not. I guess I don't know why this wouldn't sufficient.

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Old 10-05-2011, 12:03 PM   #1105
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What if he sanitizes the cube first?
You would want to sanitize the cube and purge it with an inert gas (maybe CO2) as well, and even that isn't within my comfort zone. The advantage of Non-Chilled wort going in to the fermenter is that it's hot enough to sanitize not only the cube but the air in the headspace as well once it is sealed.

I have never let my No-Chill batches sit more than 48 hours before pitching yeast, again it just isn't within my comfort zone.
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Old 10-05-2011, 12:26 PM   #1106
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NO. Don't do that for all ther reasons already given. If you've cooled it, just put it in the fermenter and pitch as normal.
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Old 10-05-2011, 02:29 PM   #1107
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The advantage of Non-Chilled wort going in to the fermenter is that it's hot enough to sanitize not only the cube but the air in the headspace as well once it is sealed.
That is a damned good point. Didn't even think of it.

Thsi is why I ask these questions.

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in all honesty, I don't know why you couldn't put cooled wort in a sanitized container for pitching later?
especially if you could store the cube in a cool location, then bring it out later and let it warm till its time to pitch.

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in all honesty, I don't know why you couldn't put cooled wort in a sanitized container for pitching later?
especially if you could store the cube in a cool location, then bring it out later and let it warm till its time to pitch.
You could, but it's not the best idea IMHO. The longer you wait to pitch, the greater your risk for infection. I do can some starter wort and let that sit at room temp for months at a time before pitching, but that is pressure canned and sterile so I'm not worried about it.


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