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Old 09-06-2013, 10:54 PM   #11
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Hey All,

Very sorry for the issues with the mill settings of our grain. We mill it to approximately 70% when used on one of our BrewSculptures. The purposes for the light milling are to prevent stuck mashes, and to reduce tannin extraction while mashing / sparging. We understand that it's not always ideal to have to buy extra grain to makeup for efficiency loss, but believe that by cracking the grains open rather than pulverizing them, you're receiving a higher quality product.

This all being said, we also appreciate honest feedback and believe our customers are always right. If the majority of our customers would prefer our grains to be milled finer, then we'll certainly discuss this in our product and brand meetings to determine if we should alter the settings.

On this same note, all of our ingredient kits are calculated for 5.5 gallons at 70% efficiency as well. Hopefully this helps, and very sorry again for the inconveniences you've experienced! Please let me know if you have any questions or further concerns and I will try to help however possible.

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Old 09-06-2013, 11:00 PM   #12
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Hey All,

Very sorry for the issues with the mill settings of our grain. We mill it to approximately 70% when used on one of our BrewSculptures. The purposes for the light milling are to prevent stuck mashes, and to reduce tannin extraction while mashing / sparging. We understand that it's not always ideal to have to buy extra grain to makeup for efficiency loss, but believe that by cracking the grains open rather than pulverizing them, you're receiving a higher quality product.

This all being said, we also appreciate honest feedback and believe our customers are always right. If the majority of our customers would prefer our grains to be milled finer, then we'll certainly discuss this in our product and brand meetings to determine if we should alter the settings.

On this same note, all of our ingredient kits are calculated for 5.5 gallons at 70% efficiency as well. Hopefully this helps, and very sorry again for the inconveniences you've experienced! Please let me know if you have any questions or further concerns and I will try to help however possible.

Sincerely,
Matt
Holy crap! Hey, thanks for being an active business person! This is why I like MoreBeer! As a matter of fact, I have a shipment due to get delivered tomorrow.

I know it might seem odd, but I definitely noticed a better crush in the 1lb bags vs. the 5 lb bag. I took into consideration weight, settling during sitting and transport and all that, but it just didn't compare in a side-by-side. I even shook up the bags to make sure it was distributed; it was still very noticeable.
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Old 09-06-2013, 11:09 PM   #13
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That's interesting. All of our grain sizes go through the same mill / hopper (we use a giant mill, and they go into a 3BBL hopper). I could see where maybe if our production team runs the smaller sizes first though, that the milled particles make their way down through the hopper first and into those 1lb. bags. I'll be asking my production manager what order they run the different sizes in, and if that is the case, I'll work with them to see how we can make it more evenly distributed. If anything, I would think we'd want our 10lb and 5lb sizes to be a "finer" crush than our 1lb size.

I can agree that it's not as fine as a lot of people prefer. One of our local customers, Mike "Tasty" McDole was actually the one who helped us determine that setting. He's brewed a batch or two, and swears by buying an extra pound or two of slightly milled grain rather than pulverizing it into what he calls "flour powder" and dealing with a slow / stuck mash or tannins.

Still would like to hear feedback though! We're always wanting to improve, and if changing our mill settings allows us to take a step in the right direction, then give me a screwdriver...

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This is only my personal opinion but when I decided to brew all grain I bought a grain mill. All grain means to me to be in control of the outcome of my beers based on my desire. Efficiency is a huge part of the outcome. Why would I trust someone else to do it for me.(money would be the obvious reason) I had stuck sparges and low efficiency with my own mill. It took me time to figure out what works for my system. I don't wish to ruffle any feathers but if I was the company I would choose the middle road also.

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Hey All,

Very sorry for the issues with the mill settings of our grain. We mill it to approximately 70% when used on one of our BrewSculptures. The purposes for the light milling are to prevent stuck mashes, and to reduce tannin extraction while mashing / sparging. We understand that it's not always ideal to have to buy extra grain to makeup for efficiency loss, but believe that by cracking the grains open rather than pulverizing them, you're receiving a higher quality product.

This all being said, we also appreciate honest feedback and believe our customers are always right. If the majority of our customers would prefer our grains to be milled finer, then we'll certainly discuss this in our product and brand meetings to determine if we should alter the settings.

On this same note, all of our ingredient kits are calculated for 5.5 gallons at 70% efficiency as well. Hopefully this helps, and very sorry again for the inconveniences you've experienced! Please let me know if you have any questions or further concerns and I will try to help however possible.

Sincerely,
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Thanks for replying to the thread Matt.

I noticed that all of the specialty grains included in the kit had a crush that was perfect, the Maris otter base was the issue. Many of the kernels didnt even appear to be cracked at all. When I mashed in, they were all just floating on top of the water. The gravity reading after the sparge indicated I was off by more than 1.025 of what it should.
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Thanks for replying to the thread Matt.

I noticed that all of the specialty grains included in the kit had a crush that was perfect, the Maris otter base was the issue. Many of the kernels didnt even appear to be cracked at all. When I mashed in, they were all just floating on top of the water. The gravity reading after the sparge indicated I was off by more than 1.025 of what it should.
I just recieved a shipment this afternoon and I have a pound of chocolate milled (everything else is unmilled, but if I wanted the chocolate unmilled, I would have had to wait for it to ship from cali. Weird.) Anyway, the crush on the chocolate is very good. If all the Vienna I ordered last time had come milled like this, I wouldn't have had to go buy a mill and would just order grains milled. Maybe you're on to something.
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I have learned while working at a HBS that getting brewers to agree on an ideal crush is near impossible. Some like cracked, some like crushed, and like the weather it could always be better.

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