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Old 01-09-2010, 07:29 PM   #51
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Thank you......

I will check the hydrometer on day 5 then on day 7... to check if fermentation is done...
Honestly, even if you want to secondary why don't you consider waiting til days 10 and 12 or 12 and 14, just to give the yeast a little time to do what they like to do; clean up after themselves. Your beer will thank you for it.
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Honestly, even if you want to secondary why don't you consider waiting til days 10 and 12 or 12 and 14, just to give the yeast a little time to do what they like to do; clean up after themselves. Your beer will thank you for it.
I cant argue with someone with 17k posts...

my primary is at a constant temp of 68-71 degrees....

even at those temps you think I should wait 10 days?....

my kit says to rack at 5-7 days..... but as I understand it from John Palmers book, as well as many other threads i searched, I should rack to secondary when Primary fermentation is complete? right?

thanks 4 ur help.
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Old 01-09-2010, 07:48 PM   #53
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I cant argue with someone with 17k posts...

my primary is at a constant temp of 68-71 degrees....

even at those temps you think I should wait 10 days?....

my kit says to rack at 5-7 days..... but as I understand it from John Palmers book, as well as many other threads i searched, I should rack to secondary when Primary fermentation is complete? right?

thanks 4 ur help.
Well I vote for the longest contact with the primary yeast possible, that's why many of us don't secondary at all...and that's becomming the trend despite what this 2 year old trend may say.

If I DO rack to secondary, I wait 14 days, and secondary for another 14, or if lagring, much longer.

Generally speaking kit manufacturers, especially kit an kilo manufacturers, are concerned with selling more and more kits NOT with the brewer making the best beer possible. They know that if they say in the instructions to wait, they may loose some people to hobbies that have more instant gratification.

They also know that the time that a homebrewer will remain buying kits is relatively short...they know that after a few kits, the brewer will either give up, start brewing extract batches from recipes in books and places like this, formulate their own recipes, or go all grain...so they want to sell as many kits as possible to the new brewer before he moves on to bigger and better things.

SO they know that even their beer will taste better if you leave it longer...but they know that in the time you wait you will be reading and learning and be less likely to buy another kit...They can sell three or four kits to you if you follow their directions in the same time frame that listening to us and waiting a month and bottle conditioning for another 3-4 weeks.

But Even Palmer says you should wait....

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Leaving an ale beer in the primary fermentor for a total of 2-3 weeks (instead of just the one week most canned kits recommend), will provide time for the conditioning reactions and improve the beer. This extra time will also let more sediment settle out before bottling, resulting in a clearer beer and easier pouring. And, three weeks in the primary fermentor is usually not enough time for off-flavors to occur.
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Thank you Revvy..

So one last question...

So if I reach my target FG of 1.011 at day 7....should I still give it a couple of days to relax in the primary before racking.... or should I rack as soon as I reach my FG of 1.011

I like the idea of waiting for a few more days than what my recipe says. Ill wait as long as I have to, if it will give me a better beer.
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Thank you Revvy..

So one last question...

So if I reach my target FG of 1.011 at day 7....should I still give it a couple of days to relax in the primary before racking.... or should I rack as soon as I reach my FG of 1.011

I like the idea of waiting for a few more days than what my recipe says. Ill wait as long as I have to, if it will give me a better beer.
Yes, you wait..This isn't about waiting for the beer to reach terminal graivty, it's about letting the yeasts clean up all the messes they made while getting your beer to terminal gravity. All those things that could lead to off flavors. You leave the beer in contact with the yeast.

These days leaving my beers in primary for a month I only take 2 gravity reading, one on yeast pitch day and 1 month later on bottling day, that's it.

Even when racking to secondary I wait 14 days, more than likely fermentation was complete in a week, but again I am giving the yeast time to clean up after themselves.
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Yes, you wait..This isn't about waiting for the beer to reach terminal graivty, it's about letting the yeasts clean up all the messes they made while getting your beer to terminal gravity. All those things that could lead to off flavors. You leave the beer in contact with the yeast.

These days leaving my beers in primary for a month I only take 2 gravity reading, one on yeast pitch day and 1 month later on bottling day, that's it.

Even when racking to secondary I wait 14 days, more than likely fermentation was complete in a week, but again I am giving the yeast time to clean up after themselves.
ahhhh ok... interesting.. I thought you rack once FG was attained.

thank you for your advice... I will follow it.
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ahhhh ok... interesting.. I thought you rack once FG was attained.

thank you for your advice... I will follow it.
Well, there's a lot of ways to do things....You could rack immedietly, I just prefer prolonging yeast contact as much as possible, I find that it improves my beers immensely to do so.
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Excellent discussion here! Revvy, you inspire confidence. I am going to wait two weeks before racking my current brew to a secondary.
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Excellent discussion here! Revvy, you inspire confidence. I am going to wait two weeks before racking my current brew to a secondary.
Well hopefully one day you'll get really brave, skip secondary and leave it in primary for a month.
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Has anybody came across when actuall autolysis sets in? It's most peoples concern and reason to rack to the secondary but I have yet to see or read at what point is happens.
Im sure it's based on yeast health, temp, and time. So, each batch is different, but are we looking at 7 days? 12? 14? 30 days?
Just currious?
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