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Old 10-03-2008, 05:22 PM   #21
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Personally, I've never used a secondary. I see it as a unnecessary risk of potential infection and exposure to oxygen during transfer. Plus, I'm just lazy.

I typically ferment for 10 - 21 days (primary only), add gelatin finings, crash cool (ale to 50F, lager to 40F) for 3 - 14 days, and then bottle/keg.
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Old 10-03-2008, 05:28 PM   #22
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Another reason I don't secondary is minimizing wort loss. Each time I rack off of trub I leave X amount of beer behind, whether I'm racking off of a thick yeast cake or thin sediment. I'd rather only do that once.
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Old 10-03-2008, 05:33 PM   #23
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The way I see it, if I leave a beer in primary 3 weeks and someone else makes the same beer but puts it in the primary for 1 week and secondary for 2 weeks, there is no reason why his should be any clearer. I primary in a ported better bottle so I can rack carefully. So I guess "time spent" is the key.

Anything negatively buoyant in the beer will fall out given time. Doesn't matter if the yeast cake is there or not. If you get into extended periods of time, then I can see using a secondary.
Sure, it's the same answer as 1+2=3 or 4-1=3, but not exactly the same process.
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Old 10-03-2008, 05:59 PM   #24
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I secondary. I fly sparge. I bottle/cask condition basically everything instead of force carbing.

I think it makes me feel like I'm more involved. Like a big yeast or something.
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Old 10-03-2008, 06:42 PM   #26
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Here's what Noonan says about racking:

"Employing up to 5 percent strongly fermenting kraeusen beer at racking produces a stronger start of secondary fermentation and a better overall fermentation. This absolutely must be done when yeast performance during primary fermentation has been poor, as it replenishes the degraded culture."

"Racking must be done without rousing or splashing to prevent oxygen from entering the solution"
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Old 10-03-2008, 06:46 PM   #27
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Let's see if I can find what I posted about a week ago . . . . Ah, yes:

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Oh, boy. Here comes this fun again. There are a few reasons why "secondary fermenter" is not a misnomer. For many brewers, some fermentation does occur in the secondary.

First, fermentation does not always complete in the primary. Racking beer to the secodnary rouses the yeast and often results in further attenuation. Getting those last few points out can be very important if you are bottling. Most bottle bombs are not the result of overpriming, in a sense, but of failing to reach full attentuation before priming. Even if you are kegging and want the clearest beer you can get, that little bit of fermentation in the secondary will help you along.

Second, some beer styles (or recipes) call for a second fermentation by adding more fermentables. In those cases, the brewer usually wants to rack off the old trub before adding those fermentables.

Finally, the practice of an extended primary fermentation, followed by immediate packaging, has only recently become common. Back before a homebrewer could reliably get excellent quality yeast, you wanted to get your beer off the inital trub as soon as possible or risk nasty consequences (e.g., autolysis). Often, that meant racking after fermentation had slowed but not completed, usually within the first several days after pitching. Fermentation clearly continued and completed in the secondary. Because many brewers who have been around for a good while don't like to fix things that ain't broke, they still follow that practice.

I still advise and use a secondary, even though I have high confidence in today's yeasts. I find [racking to a secondary] makes my brewing more consistant and, frankly, better. I also leave beer in the primary for at least 10 days after visible yeast activity begins, so that there is plenty of time for the yeast to both have its party and clean up, afterwards. I've tried a couple batches where I just leave the beer in the primary for three to four weeks and then kegging straight out, and I was slightly less happy with the results, both in the beer and in the perceived convenience (i.e., I did not see any extra convenience, as it was a greater hassle keeping trub out of the keg). On the other hand, I know many brewers who go straight from the primary to the package (or bottling bucket) with great results. Do what suits you.

Just as an aside, there is virtually no risk of introducing contamination when racking to the secondary, so long as you practice proper sanitation. You have a finished beer, there, still with quite a bit of yeast suspended within it. That is not a happy place for intruders to find refuge. You do, however, need to consider oxidation, but that also is not a problem with proper practice (e.g., avoid splashing, use a properly sized vessel). If you can purge your secondary with CO2, do that. If not, the CO2 that comes out of solution when you rack should provide plenty of protection.

As another aside, comparing homebrewing to industry brewing is a poor analogy, unless you have analgous equipment and practices. For those homebrewers with conical fermenters and who very quickly repitch slurry, the secondary might be a true bright tank. For the rest of us, not so much.
So, yes, I rack. I haven't been a "newb" in quite a while, either - at least, not at brewing. Brew as you like, but be real careful about looking down your nose at another brewer with a different technique.


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Old 10-03-2008, 07:30 PM   #28
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I do only 13 days in primary for my 50 to 60 gravity ales, then bottle, because I'm brewing again on day 14 and need my fermentation chamber free. I've had no problems moving along that quickly. The ales clear up fine with 2 weeks in the bottle. Good thing, because I would hate to have to wait longer than that.
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I have never used a secondary for beer brewing. That said, I plan on using a secondary for bulk aging of my 999BW just because it will probably (hopefully) be in there for 6 - 8 months before bottling.
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Good repost, TL.
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