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KayaBrew 08-09-2009 11:21 PM

"Brewing Classic Style" by Jamil and John
 
I just got this book, and the recipes look great, but I have a question:
When I entered 2 of the recipes into BeerTools Pro, all of the specs were way off compared to what Jamil has listed. The Color, IBU, OG and FG are higher on BTP than in the book.

Anybody know what gives?

I had to adjust the amounts of Crystal 40L and 120L in an Irish Red recipe so the color fell into the BJCP guidelines. BTW, I am brewing with all grains, not extract.

Rick500 08-09-2009 11:23 PM

The recipes are for 6 gallons.

Which recipes did you enter?

SavageSteve 08-09-2009 11:23 PM

Their recipes are for 6 gallons, so perhaps you need to adjust your batch size.

-Steve

KayaBrew 08-09-2009 11:27 PM

Ahh...six gallons! Thanks for the info gents! I've entered the Irish Red ale, and the American Amber ale into BTP so far. A friend is giving me a bunch of freshly harvested Cascades next month that I plan on tossing into the Amber to fresh hop it.

Budzu 08-12-2009 04:20 PM

Here's another thing you need to do to brew those recipes:

If you'll notice when you throw in all-grain malts instead of the extract recipes, the percentages are off from the original recipe.

The best way I've found to work them is to enter them all as is (I use Beersmith) with jamil's efficiency (70% I believe) and his all-grain substitutions as a 6 gallon batch (with no kettle loss calculations) then convert to your own efficiency, THEN tweak the grain bill until the percentages of each malt match up, watching your planned OG. I've done a recipe or two from that book with both this method and the method of just entering his amounts (rather than percentages) and I'm pretty confident that the percentage balancing is the way to go.

Cheers!

sleepystevenson 08-12-2009 04:55 PM

I am with you Budzu. Percentage is the way to fly.

The percentage of grainbill is one of my only gripes with that book. (percentages are for extract + speciality grains - NOT all grain) Every recipe I have done out of it has been great, though!

What I do, is add up the total grain weight, using the all grain option, then recalculate the percentages of total grain bill for all grain, and write them in beside the extract percentages in the book. Makes it easy for me to scale it any which way in beersmith, and for future reference.

BeerPressure 08-12-2009 07:20 PM

I really love this book.

Edcculus 08-13-2009 12:50 AM

I don't have it in front of me, but all the specs should be listed. Make sure you have the batch size and efficiency correct. He also uses the Rager formula to calculate hops. Beersmith defaults to Tinseth, so make sure to change that in the settings.

jamilz 08-13-2009 05:55 AM

Page 39, the section titled Brewing These Recipes has all the specifics.

Shooter 08-13-2009 06:00 PM

Boy, a lot of posts in the last few days from jamilz. Assuming he is the real Jamil, and not that Facebook imposter we've heard about, it's good to have him here. I'm wondering if the I Am A Homebrewer video "controversy" made him remember he had an account here?!?! :D

If it is really you, and not that skunk faced liar, then welcome back. I really enjoy the BN shows oh, and I like the book as well! :mug:


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