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Old 03-28-2006, 08:04 PM   #41
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i rinse my no-rinse sanitizer (iodophor) with chlorinated water right from the tap...unless your living in chernobyl, or near 3 mile island, tap water is safe and sanitized. it has to be BY LAW.

(by sanitized i mean it contains acceptable levels of coliforms, enterics and/or other microbes)

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Old 03-28-2006, 08:05 PM   #42
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where can u get star san and idophor in the uk........i only see vwp at the lhbs which is clorine based
Having only visited Heathrow for 45 minutes, I couldn't really say, but I imagine BlightyBrewer and Caplan have it all figured out by now...drop them a PM or maybe they'll pop in.
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Old 03-28-2006, 08:16 PM   #43
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My $.02...

Anyone who reads my posts here knows that I'm just about the cheapest bastard here. So naturally, I started brewing using bleach as my sole sanitizing agent. (Well, that and some one-step that I got for free.) I rinsed with hot tap water and didn't worry about it. No infections, no chlorine tastes, no nothing.

But I switched to Iodophor and am very happy with it. It's still quite cheap (cheaper than one-step or star san), and I really like the convenience of very short contact times and no-rinse. Just for the time it takes off bottling alone, it's worth the slightly higher expense over bleach, IMHO. Yeah, it's messy and discolors plastic tubes. Oh well.

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Old 03-28-2006, 08:18 PM   #44
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What data does anyone have on this? I've heard hours, weeks, and it's good if it's still amber.
Someone posted an interview on here with the president (I think) of BTF...according to him the answer is, as long as it's still amber. For me, it loses it's color in about 12 hours, tho if it's in a white plastic bucket the staining makes it look colored for a long time after that, which IMHO is leading some to think it's still active.
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Old 03-28-2006, 08:23 PM   #45
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i rinse my no-rinse sanitizer (iodophor) with chlorinated water right from the tap...unless your living in chernobyl, or near 3 mile island, tap water is safe and sanitized. it has to be BY LAW.

(by sanitized i mean it contains acceptable levels of coliforms, enterics and/or other microbes)
Tap water is not sanitized...not according to FDA definition of sanitization anyway.
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Old 03-28-2006, 08:28 PM   #46
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Nobody said they were rinsing with DIRTY water, just HOT water.
If you boil your rinse water to sanitize it, then it can be QUITE useful for rinsing bleach off of your gear while not compromising the sanitation effort.

This is how I sanitized for over 7 years of brewing. I just eventually got sick of boiling water and rinsing and switched to Iodophor.
Um, nobody mentioned how hot the water was either.

Seems kinda labor intensive to me, as well as a waste of resources and time. I'm happy that you have had such terrific results with Iodophor.

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I'm not following. Many, many homebrewers have used bleach for sanitation purposes for years without incident. I'd say the empirical evidence suggests there's a very valid point for using it.
If it works for you, and it ain't broke don't fix it. This is just my subjective opinion on this matter.
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Old 03-28-2006, 08:34 PM   #47
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Anyone who reads my posts here knows that I'm just about the cheapest bastard here.
What!? Someone dares be a cheaper bastard than the almighty Imperial Walker!?

That's it! I'm going to stop santizing everything, re-use my specialty grains, bottle in dirty soda bottles, and cut my extract in half and substitute cane sugar for fermentables.

I'll show YOU who's cheap!

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Um, nobody mentioned how hot the water was either.
does it matter?

if the water is clean, there is no harm in rinsing with it. That was my point.



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That's it! I'm going to stop santizing everything, re-use my specialty grains, bottle in dirty soda bottles, and cut my extract in half and substitute cane sugar for fermentables.
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Isn't how budweiser is made?
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Isn't how budweiser is made?
That's how it TASTES, but I am actually in awe of the precision with which AB and the other megaswill companies brew their products. Something that light in color and taste takes squeaky-clean and heavily-controlled care to produce. Any off taste at all would stick WAY out.

millions and millions of gallons of the stuff, and not a single noticable difference across batches.... amazing. Terrible beer, but amazing production process.

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