Retrofit

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I 2nd the sticky motion. LOL. I'm most irritated when I'm in brew store I work in part time and I tell newbs they are wrong and they look at me like I'm the idiot. I need a thread like this to refer them to.

joeg13

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My prob was not with Revvy's answer, but with the fact that he seemed annoyed that I asked the question. I merely pointed out that not even the people that we all listen to and buy books from don't agree. I'm yet to hear a good explanation of how squeezing causes tannin extraction so Revvy's point is still valid.

Revvy

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I wasn't annoyed that you asked the question, I'm annoyed that we have to keep clarifying things like that, those half understood brewing "I heards" that get bandied about so often, even by authors of books, and other folks who should know better. Then we have to come in and clean up the messes other folks made by repeating things like that rotely.

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johnsma22

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The problem is that there are always going to be new brewers coming in here. No one came out of the womb knowing how to brew. People pick up bits and pieces and then they come here and get enlightened.

If those of us who know grow frustrated when people who don't know continue to come here to ask the same questions then we might as well close up shop here and go home.

I just recently got back into brewing after a few years off, and I'm tickled pink to answer the same questions that were being asked when I left. Makes me feel good to share with others what this great community shared with me when I first started out.

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Revvy

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You obviously STILL don't get what I'm saying. I SAID, it's annoying when A MYTH, gets perpetuated ESPECIALLY by folks like PUBLISHED AUTHORS....So THEY keep spreading it to unsuspecting brewers, who (unlike the OP) don't question and then keep spreading it rotely, then we have to clean up THE AUTHOR's mistakes.

I commend joeg13 for seeing the discrepancy and pointing it out, I just wish there were no discrepancy to cause any confusion.

They're not in the books or articles because Palmer or Jamil or Papazian or whoever actually squeezed a grain bag, or boiled grains and got tannins, it's in there because it was something the "heard" just like you and me, except they put it in a book, and therefore etched it into stone, whether it is true or not. They never bothered to look around at all the BIAB brewers who were squeezing, or the AG brewers who were decocting, and went "huh?" or "How Come" they just put the paragraph or sentence in. I know as an author myself it's hard to attribute or fact check every little thing that comes out of our head, but as been proved here so many of those little "asides" that got thrown into books like How TO Brew, like autolysis, tannins, hot side aeratation, all the little bugaboos that frighten the already nervous new brewers , who hover over every scary detail of the process- I think they needed to be thought through more or handled better in their work.

I really love folks who make jabs at the folks who REGULARLY devote hours of the day to answering new brewers questions, with lines like "Well maybe if you don't want to answer the same question over you shouldn't" if I had a problem with doing it why do you think my post count is so high? Because I play word game or hang out in the tap room? I've been doing this for years BECAUSE I CARE enough to do so. Many folks answer a few noob questions then give up when it's the same question 5 or 50 times a day. But I care more that GOOD BREWING INFORMATION gets out then how many times it gets asked. Noone's holding a gun to my head, are they?

I just hate having to clean up other people's bad information...

Well see how long YOU'LL last asking the same questions days in and days out, when your even near me, or even the other regulars on here who do it, in terms of time spent doing it, THEN you can cast aspersions on us.

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The Open Heart Surgery Recovery "Dramedy" continues!

Revvy's one of the cool reverends. He has a Harley and a t-shirt that says on the back "If you can read this, the bitch was Raptured. - Madman

I gotta tell ya, just between us girls, that Revvy is HOT. Very tall, gorgeous grey hair and a terrific smile. He's very good looking in person, with a charismatic personality... he drives like a ****ing maniac! - YooperBrew

EllisTX

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cricky101

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I'm new at this too, but it seems to be a common theme.

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johnsma22

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Realized this not the place for this. My apologies to the community.

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keesh

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Well needless to say I rescind my vote for sticky.

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evwoller

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Damn Revvy, I see where you are coming from, but do you really need to be pushing all the bold and caps? Like, you getting frustrated isn't going to change anything. You could however write a book, and then just be like "refer to line 8 on page 52 of my book, brewing myths demystified".

(This is me posting an off thread topic post)