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Old 12-05-2013, 05:02 PM   #21
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Up to a certain concentration, yes. I.e. Ice Beer or Ice Bock. But that would decrease the volume to carry by only 50%. Over that we are entering a grey zone where they could decide in any direction.

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Old 12-06-2013, 07:11 PM   #22
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I saw a chart somewhere about feezing beer, and short of a better freezer, assuming about 0F for a typical fridge, the highest you can get the concentration of alcohol to is abou 30%ABV. the solution refuses to get much higher as the water doesn't freeze out.

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Old 12-07-2013, 12:43 AM   #23
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?.. the highest you can get the concentration of alcohol to is abou 30%ABV...
I read that the packs are 49% which make them classified and taxed as liquor. I understand they make 16oz so they would have to be 4oz packs?

Could they be just fermenting syrup to as high as they can go (15%) and then just adding ethanol to get the 49%?

Could that ever taste good?

It appears the price would be $2.40 for the concentrate and $.50 for the carbonation powder. For hard core hikers who will spend 10x for dehydrated food this is a bargain. Also quite the hero when everyone else is drinking Tang?

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Old 12-07-2013, 02:43 AM   #24
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I read that the packs are 49% which make them classified and taxed as liquor.

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well with a better freezer you could go further than about 30%. It really depends on the freezer. Tactical Nuclear Penguin or Sink the Bizmark (which ever is higher) gets up to 42% with freezing, but if you are a manufacture, getting a super freezer is always possible.
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well with a better freezer you could go further than about 30%. It really depends on the freezer. Tactical Nuclear Penguin or Sink the Bizmark (which ever is higher) gets up to 42% with freezing, but if you are a manufacture, getting a super freezer is always possible.
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I read that the packs are 49% which make them classified and taxed as liquor. I understand they make 16oz so they would have to be 4oz packs?

Could they be just fermenting syrup to as high as they can go (15%) and then just adding ethanol to get the 49%?

Could that ever taste good?

It appears the price would be $2.40 for the concentrate and $.50 for the carbonation powder. For hard core hikers who will spend 10x for dehydrated food this is a bargain. Also quite the hero when everyone else is drinking Tang?

Tom
The end concentration always depends on the temperature you froze it at and the time it remains frozen, the nearer you can get to the alcohol freezing point and the longer the time it stays there, the more water will be frozen and the more solids will be separated. It is really not much different from distilling, except that in distilling you remove the alcohol from the water and solids by converting it to steam, here you separate the water from the alcohol by converting it to ice.

Concentration of up to 90% are possible though much more difficult to achieve than by distilling as the mechanical separation has to be performed at sub-zero temperatures.

@Tom, I doubt that hard core hikers would want to have alcohol in their rations, that would be just another sugar sink and sugar is something you don't have to spare on a hike.
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Well evidently you can get it now.
Pat's Back Country Beverages was discussed in an article on Gizmodo the other day.

These guys will also ship to most states.
http://www.liquorama.net/search.php?...rate&x=13&y=16
I'm curious.

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