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Old 06-25-2013, 08:03 PM   #21
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good info here.

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Old 06-25-2013, 08:53 PM   #22
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So, assuming you guys are legit, how would you "build" your water from scratch starting with 0 in all values? Please answer for pale, mid-amber and dark for an appropriate range. Thanks!
Without addressing the question of my legitimacy, I'll point out that the Primer in the stickies is intended to get people starting out on the way to good beer. If you want to go the next step beyond that Martin has a whole library of valid profiles in Bru'n Water.

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And bicarbonate? That pretty much the same as alkalinity right? What are your numbers for that?
Alkalinity measures the aspect of bicarbonate and carbonate with which you are concerned as a brewer. You really don't care how much bicarbonate you have. You care about what it does to you and that is measured by the alkalinity. You can estimate bicarbonate if you want by dividing the alkalinity by 50 and multiplying the result by 61 (or, more importantly, estimate alkalinity if you only have a bicarbonate number by doing this in reverse). The interconversions depend on pH and this approximation is only good when the pH is between, say, 6 and 8.
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Old 06-25-2013, 09:29 PM   #23
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So, assuming you guys are legit, how would you "build" your water from scratch starting with 0 in all values? Please answer for pale, mid-amber and dark for an appropriate range. Thanks!
Is Palmer at NHC this year? I just got here and haven't seen him. but if he's here, I'll run up to him this week and ask him personally if AJ and Martin are "legit".

Otherwise, I will ask Martin if I can take his picture during his seminar at the National Homebrewers Conference, as he is presenting a talk on water chemistry and brewing.
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Old 06-25-2013, 09:57 PM   #24
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excellent responses aj, i've been feeling around in the dark as far as water is concerned. i am pretty lucky to have very good tap water but i like knowing the science of why it's good.

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Old 06-26-2013, 12:49 AM   #25
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Nothing personal on the legit thing. I post and reply mostly from my phone so I really don't see anything other than nicknames. I don't know your credentials, experience, or legal status! ;-) I've seen some posts on here with some pretty sketchy advice so forgive me if I like to verify things before I start changing my brewing habits.

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Is Palmer at NHC this year? I just got here and haven't seen him. but if he's here, I'll run up to him this week and ask him personally if AJ and Martin are "legit".

Otherwise, I will ask Martin if I can take his picture during his seminar at the National Homebrewers Conference, as he is presenting a talk on water chemistry and brewing.
John said he would be there around noon on Wednesday and he is going to the BN thing that night. I'll be there on Wed afternoon.
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John said he would be there around noon on Wednesday and he is going to the BN thing that night. I'll be there on Wed afternoon.
I just had a few beers with Justin, and forgot to ask him when Palmer was coming, as we were busy chatting.
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...I like to verify things before I start changing my brewing habits.
This is wise.
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I really appreciate all of the insight in this thread with regard to water chemistry. It's the one part of brewing that still is quite confusing for me and one that I'd like to get a better handle on.

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I just had a beer with John Palmer. He said that his book is about ready, and he really had tons of help from mabrungard and ajdelange, and he said, "This is a good book". His exact words were something like, "I couldn't have done it without AJ and Martin.".

So, I'd say that they are "legit".

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