Spike Brewing 12.5 Conical Fermenter Giveaway!

Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > Brew Science > IPA water help

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 01-27-2010, 01:47 PM   #1
GHB
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 30
Default IPA water help

Hey folks can I get some suggestions on how to make my water better for an IPA. The water I use goes through a softener, here are the numbers from ward labs,

pH 7.8
sodium 141
Potassium 2
calcium 0
Mag 0
CaCO3 0
nitrates 2.3
sulfates 17
Chloride 12
carbonates 0
bicarbonates 252

Thanks for any help
GHB

__________________
GHB is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-27-2010, 02:18 PM   #2
sjlammer
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Albany, NY
Posts: 576
Liked 5 Times on 5 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default

You aren't going to want to hear this, but start from scratch with ro water. Your bicarbonates are really high, despite going through a softener... Also, your sodium is also really high.

I think you are going to have a really hard time with that water

__________________
~"A fine beer may be judged with only one sip, but it's better to be thoroughly sure.”

On Deck: Spruce APA, Chambord Fortified Chocolate Porter, Imperial IPA

Primary:
Primary:
Secondary: Belgian Dark Strong Ale
Conical:
Lagering: None
Kegged/Drinking: Cascade, Cent., Amarillo Pale Ale
Kegged/Drinking: Belgian Pale Ale (HG yeast for yeast cropping see above)
Bottled: ESB
sjlammer is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-27-2010, 02:23 PM   #3
Edcculus
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Greenville, SC
Posts: 4,567
Liked 40 Times on 37 Posts

Default

From what I understand, most softeners use some sort of chemical reaction to replace calcium with sodium. Not ideal for brewing. No matter what beer, 0ppm calcium is a bad thing. You are going to have to add a lot to that water, then you have the problem of high bicarbonates and high sodium. Any chance of taking your water softener off line?

__________________
Edcculus is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-27-2010, 02:53 PM   #4
remilard
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Kansas City
Posts: 3,655
Liked 38 Times on 37 Posts

Default

I would find a way to take water before the softener, as the sodium is simply too high. Resend that to Ward and see what you are working with.

The bicarbonate is pretty darn high, but it will be fine for some beers and for others you can probably get away with blending with RO rather than using 100% RO.

Now, lets say you have to use that water. For an IPA you will need to cut it some with RO to get the residual alkalinity right and then will want to get your magnesium and calcium in range using primarily magnesium sulfate and calcium sulfate to increase the sulfate to chloride ratio. How much Mg and Ca you add will dictate how much you need to cut with RO. There are a couple of moving parts here so get a spreadsheet and just play around with it. At a minimum, cut it half and half with RO as the sodium is too high otherwise.

A lot of people recommend -TH-'s spreadsheet as easy to use and BobbyM produced videos showing how to use it.

I personally like kaiser's spreadsheet for a number of reasons (handles acidulated malt which I use, handles dissolved chalk water which is a practice I picked up from him).

__________________
remilard is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply


Quick Reply
Message:
Options
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
building brewing water from reverse osmosis (RO) water Kaiser Recipes/Ingredients 7 05-11-2014 08:34 PM
IPA water recipe - adjusting high bicarbonate water conpewter Brew Science 19 10-01-2010 05:29 PM
Tucson, AZ water profile results from water dept. herbler Brew Science 40 02-02-2010 04:31 PM
Brewing with soft water (Water Softener) iqoair Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 15 12-24-2009 04:24 AM
mash water/sparge water ratios Budzu All Grain & Partial Mash Brewing 7 07-19-2009 11:49 PM