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**claphamsa** · 08-02-2009, 09:07 PM

Ok, brewing a red with Ryan_pa in 2 weeks.... is there anything special about a starter for roselare? dont aover power the bugs or anything....

sundowner · 08-02-2009, 09:38 PM

I wouldn't make a starter for it.

simcoe4life · 08-03-2009, 02:55 AM

There's no need for a starter. Pitch it and let the mix work its magic. For Flanders Red inspired brews I primary with Roselare for one month.

tprokop · 08-03-2009, 12:45 PM

They work hard to get the blend of bugs right in that pitchable packet. Because the different organisms in there will reproduce at different rates, a starter will screw up the ratios that they use for the blend. If you're making a big beer and are really worried about it, you could always pitch two, but I would never make a starter for a blend.

Are you using Roselare for your primary strain? If not, you probably don't need a starter at all even if it is a big beer.

Ryan_PA · 08-03-2009, 03:23 PM

At least for my half, I am using roselare for the primary and for aging. I already have another flanders red going, and the first roselare pitch did not get the fermentation going for 4 days. I pitched my other smack pack, the one intended for brew Clap posted on, and the ferment took off in 12 hours. It may have just been a delay from the first pitch, might have been the extra sacc in the second pitch, but whatever it was, it took off.

Does anyone remember reading something from vinnie about an 80%-20% starter of wort to apple juice for strains with bugs in them? I think I read something a few years back, but cannot find it now.

**claphamsa** · 08-03-2009, 03:44 PM

From reading about other Flanders brews.... apparently it just take 4-5 days to kick off...

sundowner · 08-03-2009, 03:53 PM

Brewed mine on a Saturday and it was going strong in 36 hours. The Roeselare blend has everything you need for fermentation...the yeast and the bacteria. I think it's easy to overthink some of these wild brews. I'm keeping it simple and gonna leave it in the primary for 'at least' 6 months, then oak it for another six months.

babalu87 · 08-03-2009, 05:03 PM

I would like to have some to re-use on other brews.

Maybe saving the dregs is one way of doing this?

**claphamsa** · 08-03-2009, 05:06 PM

I dunno, might be interesting to try though.... a 6 month yeastcake

babalu87 · 08-03-2009, 06:03 PM

I've never used it, is there anything at the bottom after a month or two?
Does it need much in the way of headspace?

I was going to go with US-05 until it was about half done and then rack onto the Roselare, maybe I'll just go all Roselare and use the dregs later.