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Old 12-21-2009, 02:59 PM   #1
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Default Sampling through pellicle

I currently have 4 sours going, ranging in age from 6 months to 3 months in the secondary. I would like to start checking the flavor progress on some, however there is a pellicle on all 4. Last week I finally broke down and sampled the youngest (a la roja clone) since it had the thinnest pellicle. I think it was in the "sick" stage, which makes sense since it was the 3rd generation of a roselare pitch.

All 4 sours are aging using the Raj Apte psudo barrel oak dowel approach (http://blog.flaminio.net/blogs/index.php/beer/batches/flanders-red-2008), so the pellicle should last a good while. I would like to taste the beers. Do I risk disturbing the pellicle and remove the stopper/oak and pull my sample, or wait for the pellicle to fall?

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Old 12-21-2009, 05:04 PM   #2
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I've sampled mine through the pellicle, it just reforms. I try to limit the damage, but can't see a ton of harm.

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Grew a set today and sampled the oldest of the sours, well worth it. I cannot believe this is a beer I made! I will keep letting it age for another 6-8 months, but now I am super anxious.

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Old 12-24-2009, 12:12 AM   #4
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I break pellicles in my carboys all the time. One thing to consider though is that its best to sterilize your thief really really really good before attempting to sample from another sour carboy in the same session. I have a ridiculously sour, almost offense "lambic" going right now that has gotten way to funked for my taste, and somehow that taste found its way into another "lambic" carboy that was not spiked with the same bugs. I think some of the pellicle from the offensive lambic adhered itself quite neatly to my thief and got into my other carboy. Eh...

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I break pellicles in my carboys all the time. One thing to consider though is that its best to sterilize your thief really really really good before attempting to sample from another sour carboy in the same session. I have a ridiculously sour, almost offense "lambic" going right now that has gotten way to funked for my taste, and somehow that taste found its way into another "lambic" carboy that was not spiked with the same bugs. I think some of the pellicle from the offensive lambic adhered itself quite neatly to my thief and got into my other carboy. Eh...
This is why the world needs some sort of stainless wine thief that we can cook in an oven to sterilize. Don't those manufacturers know what we're dealing with here?
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They make stainless turkey basters with silicone bulbs. I have one I got at Bed Bath and Beyond for like $10. You can do better than put it in the oven, you can pressure cook it.

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Old 12-25-2009, 04:27 PM   #7
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This is why the world needs some sort of stainless wine thief that we can cook in an oven to sterilize. Don't those manufacturers know what we're dealing with here?
Nice. Stainless steel would be a huge help. Maybe then I wouldn't leave my thief in a bucket of iodophor for hours on end!
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You can do better than put it in the oven, you can pressure cook it.
Could you microwave a glass one?
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Nice. Stainless steel would be a huge help. Maybe then I wouldn't leave my thief in a bucket of iodophor for hours on end!
Not a wine thief, per se, but it serves the same purpose:

http://www.midwestsupplies.com/stainless-steel-baster.html
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This is why the world needs some sort of stainless wine thief that we can cook in an oven to sterilize. Don't those manufacturers know what we're dealing with here?
I'm thinking a length of tube attached to the stainless part up to the injector pump.

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