> I don't know a lot about using bread yeast but I thought that Oldsock basically used it for the lacto.
Hmmn....a clarificatory question: I thought bread yeast (of the sort one would get from the grocery store) was just saccharomyces cerevisiae, except it was "bred" to produce more CO2, with little control over phenols and alchohol tolerance. How does it sour things? Or do some s. cerevisiae subspecies also produce lactic or other acids?
Or, Oldsock, when you mentioned bread yeast, were you speaking of something more like a sourdough starter? I've read that the hooch on that is mostly ethyl alchohol, and that the starter itself is a symbiotic colony of lactobacillus and s. cerevisiae.