stubbornman

Recipes 

I second the above point. By adding Orval you are adding Brett, which is just another yeast. By adding the lacto / pedio in the Jolly you get into bacterias which you may or may not want to consider using separate equipment (fermenters, siphoning equip, etc) for.

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