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Old 07-21-2012, 04:54 PM   #1
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Default Cascade Sang Noir dregs?

Just having a bottle of this fantastic sour and have left a few fingers in the bottle with dregs. Wondering if it would be worth it to build a starter from this. I read that some brewers bottle-prime with a different clean yeast than the beer was primaried with. Anyone know if this is true of cascade? Any advice or wisdom on this in general? I have done a bit of reading and searching, but this sort of thing appears to be very specific to the beer cultured. Thanks!

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Old 07-22-2012, 02:09 AM   #2
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I live in Portland and love the barrel house! Have you been to tap it Tuesday? Anyways... I'm no expert but I do know that the only wild bugs they inoculate with are lactobacillus, they are specific in saying they are "nw style sour beers" not traditional sours... Weather or not Pedio and Brett are naturally in the barrels, I don't know. Hope that helps.

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Old 07-23-2012, 01:43 AM   #3
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Even if they bottle with a different yeast strain you can still pitch the dregs. The question is whether or not they pasteurize, which I am pretty sure Cascade does not.

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Old 07-23-2012, 05:30 AM   #4
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Why not email them and ask?
Great beer, by the way.

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Old 07-23-2012, 04:59 PM   #5
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I fed the dregs of a bottle of Cascade Apricot recently. I topped up the dregs in the bottle to about 1/3 full with 1.040 wort. About 3 weeks later I tasted it and there was already some Cascade-type house aroma going on. I was pretty psyched because I love their beers, so a week or two later I added that dreg breed up to a gallon of post ferment wort. It's sitting in a corner now and hopefully something good will come out of it in a while. Who knows how long.

Point is that I think it's not pasteurized.

I'd love to hear more stories about people trying to capture Cascade bugs because they get massive sourness with just lacto, and I would like to be able to emulate that.

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Old 07-23-2012, 05:37 PM   #6
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I seem to remember hearing it is pasteurized or something along those line.

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Old 07-23-2012, 05:49 PM   #7
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According to this guy they must work. he used them in his sour.

http://www.youtube.com/user/arrogantbastardale

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Old 07-24-2012, 11:29 AM   #8
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Don't know what I did wrong then! Pitched the dregs into a starter wort the day of the original post and nothing! No bubbles or change in smell. I don't have a stir plate but I generally shake the starter really good every few hours. Never had a problem till now. Bummer.

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Old 07-25-2012, 04:23 PM   #9
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let it sit for a bit longer

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Old 07-27-2012, 12:26 AM   #10
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The only non-lacto beer they have done was their Beckberry which accidentally contracted brett what must be about 2 years ago now, but they got rid of those barrels once it was done aging. I am there a couple of times a week, if you don't have your pasteurization answer by the time I remember to ask, I will post here once I get a clear cut answer for you. They just finished bottling their 2011 apricot last week, folks outside of Portland should be seeing that soon if you have a place that carries Cascade.

By the way, if anyone is local, this weeks Tap it Tuesday was Cherry Bourbonic, highly recommend it, but it will be taproom only so hurry in and hope they still have it

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