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Old 02-01-2012, 06:44 PM   #11
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I did an old ale using the Wyeast Old Ale blend (9097?), and over the course of a year, it went from 1.107 to 1.018, just for reference.


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a brett only primary isn't nearly as funky as secondary, but even then should be able to distinguish the two at this point. did your brett starter krausen at all before you pitched it? the vials contain really low cell counts, like 1/10th of normal, since they're meant for secondary use so you need to build them up alot.
Interesting. I made the opposite assumption. I read a lot of Old Sock's stuff, and (I could be remembering wrong) I recall reading that his best sours are when he includes the bugs along with the primary. Therefore, I assumed the same about Brett.

However, after your post I did some more reading and he states exactly what you said, that his funkier Brett beers are from a Brett secondary. This makes sense to me since a Brett secondary would be more stressful on the Brett resulting in more contributions to flavor and aroma, the same effect that stressful conditions have on Sacc.


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I did an old ale using the Wyeast Old Ale blend (9097?), and over the course of a year, it went from 1.107 to 1.018, just for reference.
That's good to know. I originally wanted to use the Old Ale blend, but it was no longer available when I brewed this. That's why I chose Ringwood and Brett L. (I think I originally said Brett B, but I mispoke.).

I'm going to let this sit in secondary until Labor Day, and then I'm not sure. I've got about 4-4.5 gallons of the clean beer, and 4-4.5 gallons of the funky version. I'm going to split it up, for sure. Probably oak some, might blend some with bourbon. Might add cherries or figs to some. And might put some in a 1-2 gallon carboy to bulk age for another year. Regardless, I'm excited to play around with it.
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check this out, ChadYakobson just gave an awesome response on brett fermentation, which will explain the differences between primary vs secondary: http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f127/understanding-brett-flavors-298943/#post3734990
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Interesting. I made the opposite assumption. I read a lot of Old Sock's stuff, and (I could be remembering wrong) I recall reading that his best sours are when he includes the bugs along with the primary. Therefore, I assumed the same about Brett.

However, after your post I did some more reading and he states exactly what you said, that his funkier Brett beers are from a Brett secondary. This makes sense to me since a Brett secondary would be more stressful on the Brett resulting in more contributions to flavor and aroma, the same effect that stressful conditions have on Sacc.
When you add Brett with the Sacc, it is effectively a secondary yeast. The sacc takes off quicker than the Brett and uses all the O2 leaving a stressful environment for the Brett.

When we say using Brett as a primary yeast, we mean ONLY using Brett, with no other yeast.
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When you add Brett with the Sacc, it is effectively a secondary yeast. The sacc takes off quicker than the Brett and uses all the O2 leaving a stressful environment for the Brett.

When we say using Brett as a primary yeast, we mean ONLY using Brett, with no other yeast.
Thanks for the clarification. I was definitely reading it the other way.


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