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Old 09-21-2011, 10:49 PM   #1
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Hi All....

I'm new to brewing....6 batches under my belt, and I'm brand new to sour brewing and this board....

Here is a link to a recipe I am planning to do soon...in addition to the 3711 I will be pitching dregs from a jolly pumpkin "the firefly" and one bottle of orval.

http://hopville.com/recipe/887741/sa...-09-18-version

I have a few questions:

1. the malt bill...what do you think? the maltodextrin is for the bugs because the 3711 is such a beast i fear it will eat through everything else. i am concerned about having too high an abv though.
2. the plan now is to let it sit in primary for a month then transfer to secondary for a year plus..possibly with oak and almost definitely with fruit in the last couple months. will this significantly raise the abv again? and should i adjust the malt bill accordingly?
3. in an effort to stress the 3711 i will probably underpitch a bit (a 500-750 ml starter) and not aerate the wort...does this sound like a good idea? it's advice i got from someone on beeradvocate.
4. any other tips or stuff i should know? what do you think in general?

Thanks!

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Old 09-29-2011, 09:24 PM   #2
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I have a few questions:

1. the malt bill...what do you think? the maltodextrin is for the bugs because the 3711 is such a beast i fear it will eat through everything else. i am concerned about having too high an abv though.
Your gravity should be fine. it might be a bit high, but not excessive.

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2. the plan now is to let it sit in primary for a month then transfer to secondary for a year plus..
There is no need to transfer. The bugs eat the yeast cake. I would let primary fermentation finish or pitch your bugs around 1.020.

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possibly with oak and
The oak can go in with bugs or wait your choice


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almost definitely with fruit in the last couple months. will this significantly raise the abv again? and should i adjust the malt bill accordingly?
Wait until long after primary is done before adding fruit the general rule is 6 mos. Here is a self described rant about fruit and ABV http://www.themadfermentationist.com...s-alcohol.html


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3. in an effort to stress the 3711 i will probably underpitch a bit (a 500-750 ml starter) and not aerate the wort...does this sound like a good idea? it's advice i got from someone on beeradvocate.
This will be fine.


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4. any other tips or stuff i should know? what do you think in general?
Overall looks good. Don't set your expectations beyond drinkable. That way when it is amazing you will be even happier.
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Old 09-29-2011, 10:31 PM   #3
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A lot of people dont recommend using 3711 since its a beast of a yeast. You dont need to do a starter for this yeast. Just pitch it direct, or underpitch Wyeast quantity. 3711 will eat thru all the sugars in 2-3 days anyways.

My suggestion is to goto Northern Brewer since you are local. They have 3 sour recipes that you can pick from and I'm sure all your questions can be answered in the store.

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Old 09-30-2011, 06:47 AM   #4
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I make saison with 3711 all the time and sometimes pitch it on my roselare cake or on a brett cake. Just don't expect too much funk since 3711 chews up everything but I like it. I've never used allot of malto-dextrin so let me know what it finishes at with a lb of it in it.
transfer off the primary and age for at least 4-6 months before going on the fruit then it needs another 3-4 on the fruit. I would transfer it to a secondary, you really only leave it on the primary for lambics and others you looking for that funky wierd flavors. Something I don't like in a brett saison.

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Old 09-30-2011, 04:06 PM   #5
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thanks very much for all the responses....my buddy and i are brewing tomorrow! we'll see how it goes....i will give a update at some point.

nice Sick of It All Lyric as well.

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