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Old 05-22-2012, 05:51 PM   #1
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5lbs. 14oz. Marris Otter (Crisp) info 38 4 ~
8oz. Flaked Oats info 33 2 ~
6oz. Briess Carapils info 34 1 ~
6oz. Biscuit Malt info 36 23 ~
6oz. Briess Caramel 60L info 34 60 ~
2oz. Acidulated Malt info 33 2 ~

hops
boil 60 mins 1.0 Fuggles info pellet 4.5
boil 20 mins 0.25 East Kent Goldings info pellet 5.0
boil 15 mins 0.5 Fuggles info pellet 4.5
boil 10 mins 0.25 East Kent Goldings info pellet 5.0
boil 5 mins 0.5 Fuggles info

English Ale Yeast

OG - 1.041 Final Gravity
FG - 1.012
8° SRM
(Gold to Copper)
Mash Efficiency
72%
33.4 IBU
3.9%ABV

I will be using Gypsum in the brew kettle as well. I may use Calcium Chloride in the mash water but not sure?.? I am also wondering what you guys think about the hop additions...I know most bitters do their hops usually in the start with no late additions.

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Lools tasty to me; Id try it like it stands. I like late hop additions in my English beers. It may not be strictly to style, but I find the aroma pleasant. I also like your use of fuggles and EKG, they are both great.
I am a supporter of experimentation.

I made an esb with a bit of brown malt instead of crystal, and dry hopped with ekg. It is pretty good.

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I don't think you need the biscuit if you're using MO as your base malt. Up to you.
I like light dry hopping on my bitters to simulate cask hopping. 0.5 oz is usually enough. Perhaps drop one of the flavor additions in favor of dry hopping.

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Lools tasty to me; Id try it like it stands. I like late hop additions in my English beers. It may not be strictly to style, but I find the aroma pleasant. I also like your use of fuggles and EKG, they are both great.
I am a supporter of experimentation.

I made an esb with a bit of brown malt instead of crystal, and dry hopped with ekg. It is pretty good.
Its funny you mention the dry hopping. I just bottled an esb that I dry hopped with ekg. It was awesome before dry hopping right out of the fermenter but after I dry hopped it, it is super spicy tasting. I mean I did use 1oz. of EKG, they really shine through. I think they come through too much that they take away from the fresh malty grain character.
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I don't think you need the biscuit if you're using MO as your base malt. Up to you.
Yes I was wondering this same thing. I am really digging MO a lot. I think I may take it the biscuit out just to be safe. I don't want it too over powering. Nice clean grainy/malty taste.
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I wouldn't use flaked oats in it, at all. I'd also pull the 20 minute EKG addition into the 10 minute addition. I'd also change the 60l and carapils out for crystal Maris Otter (Rebel Brewer sells it). That will give you some more MO flavors that are a bit sweeter (its a 55L malt I believe).

What yeast are you thinking of using? I've had solid luck with the English strains from Wyeast. Especially 1335, 1882-pc, and 1768-pc. You might be able to get 1882-pc from some of the online vendors still.

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keep it simple. eliminate half your malts.

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keep it simple. eliminate half your malts.
Agreed. I'd drop the carapils, the flaked oats, and the acidulated (unless you need it for ph reasons). I like adding a little biscuit to my bitters, even when MO is the base malt; it adds a bit more of that bready/cracker taste.

I'd also simplify the hops schedule. 60/10/FO, 60/15/FO, or even just 60/FO works great.

IMO, the best bitters are simple beers, but they're really hard to get right.
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keep it simple. eliminate half your malts.
Agreed.

Best ordinary bitter I've ever brewed was something like:

95% Golden Promise
5% Crystal 120

1040ish, 30ish IBU,

60 min Fuggles and EKG
0 minutes Fuggles and EKG.

Wyeast 1469

At work at the moment so that's off the top of my head, if you're interesting in seeing the correct recipe it's the clone for Timothy Taylor's Ordinary Bitter (just their ordinary not Landlord).

EDIT: Going no sparge with small beers helps a lot too I've found. Either by eliminating the sparge altogether or just adding all your sparge water as a mashout infusion. I usually go with the latter for a little better efficiency.
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This is modified.
6lbs. 12oz. Marris Otter
6oz. Crystal 50-60L
4oz. Biscuit malt
2oz. Acidulated malt

My hop additions are
1oz. Fuggles - 60min.
.25oz. EKG - 10min.
.5oz. Fuggles - 10min.
.25oz. EKG - 5min.
.5oz. Fuggles - 5min.

I am using English Ale yeast. I have had really good luck with that yeast.

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