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Old 01-27-2011, 03:14 AM   #1
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I brewed a Williams Fireside Ale extract kit last year and it ended up being the best beer I'd brewed so far. I don't want to order from them again because of the cost ($45.90 plus shipping) and because I'm moving into all grain brewing and they don't offer any all grain kits. To make a long story short I want to clone this beer but they don't tell you specifically what they use in their kits claiming "kit recipes are proprietary information". All I know is this:

11 lbs of blended malt extract, a large proportion of light crystal malt was used in addition to the Maris Otter malt extract

1 oz flavoring hops
1 oz aroma hops

Wyeast Whitbread 1099

OG 1.068
FG 1.032 or less (mine was 1.030)
IBU 35
ABV 6.2%

The extract came in two bags. One large (8 to 10 lbs) and the other small (1 to 3 lbs). The large one was lighter than the small one and I assume it was the light crystal malt.

Any help you guys can give me would be great. This is an excellent ale and I would love to be able to get close to it.

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Old 01-27-2011, 04:14 AM   #2
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That's a pretty high FG.

Does Williams make its own extract? This description makes it sound like it, though I assumed they just blended Briess extract. The kits have no grain, just extract, right?

Anyway, how abut this:

11 lbs. Maris Otter
2.5 lbs Crystal 50L (a lot, but they said so)
1 oz. EKG at 60 minutes
1 oz. EKG at 20 minutes
Wyeast 1968

But I'm really just making it up out of the blue.

EDIT: actually, for aroma hops you'd want to move it back from 20 to 0-5. Those are EKG or Fuggles. You may have to use Challenger for bittering to get the IBUs up (1 ounce EKG @ 60 won't get you there).

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Old 01-27-2011, 11:32 AM   #3
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That's a good start but I think you'd have to switch the amounts of the Crystal and Maris Otter. I know the bulk of the extract was light crystal malt.

And no the kit did not come with any specialty grains for steeping.

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Old 01-27-2011, 05:17 PM   #4
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Maris Otter is a base malt, so you'd have to have more of that than Crystal, which isn't. But no one makes Crystal extract, so I'm not really sure what William's is doing.

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I played around with Beer Smith a little and I can get the OG and the IBU's close to what they say but there's got to be some unfermentables in the malt to cause the FG to be so high (1.030). The beer does have great body with a sweeter taste so it has to have lactose or some other unfermentable sugars in it.

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Did u ever figure out a recipe that was close to the fireside ale?

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No. I haven't tried the one that McGarnigle suggested because the FG was too low. I know that one of the defining features of this beer is the great body. I don't want to brew anything that doesn't come close to the FG that the kit has. Have you ever brewed it before?

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I brewed this kit 6 weeks ago. It came out great but lacks the alcohol advertised. I put the amounts into brew lab but could never get it to6.2%. Mine came out with OG 1.068 and FG at 1.037 that's 3.84. They say 1.068 and 1.035 witch is not even close to 6.2. I want make this again but there out till fall plus I would like to do a partial mash and get that alcohol up. I would love to find out the amounts of Marris Otter and Crystal and what else is in this but nobody knows but Williams apparently.

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I want to brew it again but I want an all grain recipe. I don't like the price of their kit.

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Brew lab doesn't have lactose on the menu. So I can't plug it in to try and get the FG up otherwise I'm spot on with the Marris otter and crystal. Does anyone know what amount of lactose would increase the FG to 1.030 I'm at 1.022 now?

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