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09-10-2008, 03:16 PM
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Wild Yeast from Grapes
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I recently moved into a new (to me) house that has a couple grape vines in the backyard. The grapes are pretty good, but naturally the homebrewer in me saw the white stuff on the skins and thought, that's yeast... I wonder what I can do with it.
I am thinking about making a small starter with some DME and dropping a few of the grapes into the starter to see if I can get the yeast to grow and create a wild yeast bank.
I know there are also bacteria on the grapes so if the starter smells like $*** I'll just toss it out.
Has anyone done this with grapes before? If I'm successful in getting some wild yeast without a bacterial infection, what should I brew with it? I imagine the default is a belgian or farmhouse style.
I think it would be kind of fun to try the local yeast on a small batch and see what kind of flavor results.
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09-10-2008, 04:48 PM
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I have not done it with grapes, but I have done it with peaches and apples. never have I tried to use this yeast on Beer though, only on cider and mead. However the default is a lambic or farmhouse style, as you will probably get a few bugs in with your yeast, which COULD (read: probably will) sour your beer at least a little bit. Your idea on the starter is basically what I do to start up the wild yeast the first time, except because I don't use it in beer, I use apple juice so it probably looses that enzyme to ferment Malt-based sugars, so the DME will work great for what you're doing. make a grape lambic! that'd be awesome and keep us posted.
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09-11-2008, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Freezeblade
I have not done it with grapes, but I have done it with peaches and apples.
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Would you mind describing, precisely, how you harvested wild yeast from these for mead? What were the results? What was their %alcohol tolerance (if you know...)
I am starting up a few test-strains of mead in primitive conditions, and am looking for yeast sources... and hoping for an idiot-proof step by step
Cheers!
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09-11-2008, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Doog_Si_Reeb
I am thinking about making a small starter with some DME and dropping a few of the grapes into the starter to see if I can get the yeast to grow and create a wild yeast bank.
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I think the procedure is to streak a plate, and then harvest/culture those growths that appear to be yeast colonies. That way you can isolate away from the bacteria. I am going to try this with some swabs from pomegranates on a tree in my yard.
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09-11-2008, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Driftless
Would you mind describing, precisely, how you harvested wild yeast from these for mead? What were the results? What was their %alcohol tolerance (if you know...)
I am starting up a few test-strains of mead in primitive conditions, and am looking for yeast sources... and hoping for an idiot-proof step by step
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My process was pretty simple, I prepared a sanitized 12oz stub bottle and put some starter solution in there (for me it was just apple juice, for you it should probably be DME and water made to 1.040). I skinned the apple/peach when wearing rubber gloves, in a clean kitchen (to make sure there's no extra bugs from hands/environment), and placed the skin into the bottle, covering it with aluminum foil and let it sit out for a few days, untill it was good and foamy. I then poured the liquid off of the skin into some more starter solution in a bigger bottle to step it up, then just added it right to the must once that was good and started. YMMV.
Edit: Oh, you're doing a mead, your starter would probably be honey and water with an SG of 1.040
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Last edited by Freezeblade; 09-11-2008 at 07:02 PM.
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09-11-2008, 07:42 PM
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Just throw the fruit into a starter and ramp up as you go.
Juniper berries were used in this capacity long long time ago.
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07-26-2010, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by fratermus
I think the procedure is to streak a plate, and then harvest/culture those growths that appear to be yeast colonies. That way you can isolate away from the bacteria. I am going to try this with some swabs from pomegranates on a tree in my yard.
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Just wondering how this went. I am planning to domesticate some wild yeasts of my own, and I'm wondering which natural sources will be best. Let me know, thanks!
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