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Old 05-14-2012, 04:02 PM   #11
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So I took a minute and emailed the brewery about the recipe and got this reply,

"We are still keeping the recipe under wraps since its how we make our living but I can tell you the American 2 row, Citra, Centennial and Amarillo are the main pieces to the puzzle."

So there are a few helpful hints that may get us a little further toward a good clone.
I did the same thing and got even less info. Basically "sorry, thats proprietary." I understand that brewing beer is how you make your living but give me a break, we're homebrewers. Look at Russian River, you can get the Pliny the Elder recipe and I don't think they are having troubles making a living at Russian River. I'm just saying. I'm gonna put together some sort of a recipe on this eventually, I have no idea how close it will be but I'll post it here for you all to look at and give me friendly advice on. For the record, you can put me in the category of people who don't think TBK is using Citra as a bittering hop for White Rajah.
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Old 05-15-2012, 12:24 PM   #12
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Ok so here is my stab at it anyone have any thoughts or suggestions?

5.5 gallon Batch

12 lb Pale US 2 Row
.25 lb Munich
Mash at 150

.75 lb Table Sugar
All Hops are whole leaf.
1.5 oz Amarillo (10.4%) @60 min
.25 oz Cent (10.3%) @15
.25 oz Citra (15.6%) @15
.5 oz Cent (10.3%) @5
.5 oz Citra (15.6%) @5

WLP001 Yeast

Dry Hop 10 Days with .5 oz of each Amar, Cent, and Citra.

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Old 05-15-2012, 05:36 PM   #13
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Looks like a good beer. . . I'm down a similar path. Doubt it is bittered with amarillo though. I'm focusing more on flavor and aroma. The hop bill I'm working on, as of now is 10 ounces. I tend to be pretty heavy handed on the hops. Probably over kill but it's a work in progress. I hadn't thought to use table sugar in this one. Then again, I'm not worried about going from around 1.066 to around 1.014 with 001. Also, Munich is not something I've heard floated around about what might be in white rajah and I don't perceive it in taste either, could be me though.

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Old 05-15-2012, 10:03 PM   #14
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Trying to find a little color with the munich it's either something light or just all 2 row. Sugar is more to dry it out and get that crisp finish.

Too me at some level with a beer like this bittering hops are bittering hops. The flavor and aroma are going to overwhelm them to some extent and all you are really trying to do with them is hit IBU targets.

What are you thinking for the malt bill?

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Old 05-15-2012, 10:42 PM   #15
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Alright I did it. Once I got to working things around my recipe really sounds ridiculous. I worked grain weights out from a 20BBL batch using full bags of grains.

6 gallon batch to get 5 gallons of finished beer, 70% efficiency, rager for IBU, morrey for color.

Estimated OG: 1.066
Anticipated FG: 1.014
ABV: 6.8%
Color: 6.3 SRM
Bitterness: 70 IBU

14.5 lbs 2-row
8 oz c-40
8 oz white wheat

.5 oz columbus 60 min (target 25 IBU)
1 oz Centennial 30 min (Target 19 IBU)
1 oz Amarillo 15 min
1.5 oz Citra 15 min
1 oz Amarillo Flameout
1 oz Citra Flameout
1 oz Amarillo dry hop 7-10 days
2 oz Citra dry hop 7-10 days
1 oz Centennial dry hop 7-10 days

Sac rest at 148-150, hold for 60-90 min
mash out and sparge as usual.

thoughts? opinions?

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Old 05-15-2012, 11:01 PM   #16
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I like the malt bill better than mine with the white wheat but that seems like a lot of hops. Not that that is necessarily a bad thing.

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Old 05-15-2012, 11:25 PM   #17
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Thats true, the hops may be complete over kill. I have one white rajah left in the fridge, I'll drink it soon to get refresher of an idea of what is going on in there but my last impression was not a ton in the way of straight bitterness, it was all layered in. Alternatively:

0.70 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] (60 min) Hops 35.2 IBU
0.80 oz Centennial [10.00 %] (30 min) Hops 14.7 IBU
0.75 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] (15 min) Hops 6.1 IBU
1.25 oz Citra [12.00 %] (15 min) Hops 14.4 IBU

This might be better. Target 35 IBU at 60 min, 15 IBU at 30 min, and 20 IBU at 15 min with about those ratios. I suppose you could drop down some on the flame out and dry hops but with the aroma White Rajah packs I see no reason to.

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Old 05-26-2012, 12:50 AM   #18
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Maybe I'm just spit balling here cause things seem pretty dead on this thread but I still feel like there should be some english hops in the dry hop here. . . I'm thinking some fuggles. Anyone have any thoughts on that crazy idea?

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I can't help much, since i have yet to brew, but I did see something about TBK dry hopping with Galaxy Hops.

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I can't help much, since i have yet to brew, but I did see something about TBK dry hopping with Galaxy Hops.
That's interesting. I've never brewed with galaxy but it sounds pretty similar to citra but a little less tropical and a little more grassy. That would seem to make sense. I've got the grain bill for this brew and plenty of columbus, centennial, citra, and amarillo hops. All that's left for me to do is settle on a hop schedule. Everything I've compiled on it thus far is purely from what people have heard and also from tasting the beer, I don't claim to be an expert at tasting beers or putting together "clone" recipes but I'm set to give this a shot. Anyone else giving something a go at this?
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