Advertise Here
Main · BrewSpace · Recipes · Wiki · Groups · Clubs · Gallery · Reviews · Video · Blogs

Some FREE Pumps to give away.7% Off Coupon KegCowboy.Com17.99 Portable kegging faucet!
Go Back   Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > Recipes/Ingredients



Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-28-2008, 07:59 AM   #1
Senior Member
 
Edcculus's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Greenville, SC
Posts: 4,528
Blog Entries: 3
Default What you need to know about chocolate for brewing

I see a lot of questions come up about how to use chocolate in brewing. The replies I see show that there is a general misunderstanding of the chocolate making process. This past semester, I took a class through the horticulture department called "Vines, Wines and Brews". It focused on the use, production and history of coffee, tea, beer, wine and chocolate.

I want to impart my new knowledge of chocolate so it can be best used in the brewing process.

Chocolate is made from the seed of the Cacao plant (Theobroma cacao). This plant thrives withing 10* of the Equator. The pods resemble rough footballs.

To understand how we can use chocolate in brewing, we need to know the cultivation, harvesting and processing methods.



On the "farm"
-The pods are harvested


-workers split open the pods


-the beans and white gunky stuff are spread on mats
-Since the mucilage is slightly sweet, the covered beans undergo a kind of fermentation. Yeast eat on the sweet mucilage. This does several things. Of course it cleans off the beans. More importantly, fermentation creates heat, which chemically changes the seeds. If producers skipped this process, your chocolate would not taste good.
-the beans are washed then dried in the sun to around 5% moisture (like coffee)
-they are sent like this to manufacturers.


"at the manufacturer"

-the seeds are sorted then roasted
-seeds are dehusked (dehusked seeds are called nibs)
-the nibs are ground up into a paste called cocoa mass or cocoa liquor. The nibs are so high in fat that they make a pasty substance when ground. This is unlike coffee which makes a powder when ground.


From here, 2 things can be done:

-the mass goes into a press. The press seperates the cocoa solids from the fat. This leaves cocoa powder (solids) and cocoa butter (fat).

OR


-the mass goes into normal chocolaate production where it is liquefied again and blended with sugar, vanilla, more cocoa butter and sometimes milk.


I think some people might be confused on nibs vs. powder. Really, you get more flavor from the powder since it is around 95% cocoa solids. Nibs are really mostly fat. I think some people might be under the opinion that powder=ground nibs, which is not true. Cocoa powder is also not inferior than nibs. That being said, a lot of people have had great success using cocoa nibs in beer. Experiment to see what works best for you.

Now if you really want to get technical, you need to look into what variety your cocoa is. In terms of coffee, forestaro=robusto, criollo=arabica. Unlike coffee though, criollo beans are VERY expensive and hard to grow. The are known for their earthy/fruity taste. Forestaro grows easily and is resistant to disease. It makes an inferior chocolate though. Most of the chocolate in production is of the Forestaro variety.



Quick Lookup for chocolate terms:

Bean: un-roasted seed from a cacao pod
Cocoa Nibs: roasted, de-hulled cocoa beans
Cocoa Powder: mostly pure cocoa solids which cocoa butter (fat) has been pressed out of
Cocoa Mass: Ground up nibs. A thick pasty substance resembling thick melted chocolate
Criollo: A variety of T. cacao that produces complex flavored chocolate
Forestaro: The commonly grown variety of T. Cacao that is easy to grow
__________________

Primary:
Kegged (aging):
Kegged (Drinking): Cider
Bottled:Devil May Cry 10-10-10
On Deck: Berlinerweiss, more cider
Planning: Mild
Follow me on Twitter

Last edited by Edcculus; 07-07-2009 at 02:54 PM.
Edcculus is offline Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2008, 08:03 AM   #2
Senior Member
 
z987k's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Portland
Posts: 3,543
Default

good write up. I always use powder after using nibs and noticing that not only are they more expensive, but impart less flavor.
z987k is offline Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2008, 08:08 AM   #3
Senior Member
 
Fingers's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Manitoba, Canada
Posts: 4,210
Default

VERY interesting thread. Thanks for posting this. I had no idea the process was so varied.
__________________
If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.
Fingers is offline Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-2009, 01:07 AM   #4
Senior Member
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: South of most States
Posts: 618
Default

I made the mistake as a kid of eating cocoa powder (baking powder). It was not good. Very bitter and dusty tasting.

What happens in the wort and fermentation to change that bad flavor? Is it sweetened by the sugars in the wort even though most of those are fermented out? Is the cocoa itself fermented?
__________________
Drunking: All kinds of stuff. Apple stuff. Berry stuff. Peanut butter stuff. Porter type stuff. Dark Star Stout. Camp Trip Grogaloosh.
Party Pigged: Black Licorice Beer. Apparently, black jelly beans are not in season now. Its my 'dare you to drink it' beer. One girl tried to rip out her own tongue. It's that bad.
Zul'jin is offline Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-2009, 01:08 AM   #5
Senior Member
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Haymarket VA
Posts: 1,180
Default

I think this should be a sticky or added to the wiki if it has not already been.
s3n8 is offline Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-2009, 02:12 AM   #6
Cranky Old Guy
 
david_42's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Willamina & Oak Grove, Oregon, USA
Posts: 24,444
Default

Quote:
What happens in the wort and fermentation to change that bad flavor? Is it sweetened by the sugars in the wort even though most of those are fermented out? Is the cocoa itself fermented?
Bitter flavor is normal in beer, so the cocoa blends in. Also, much less concentrated in the beer. Eat a couple pellets of Warrior and you'll understand.

Pastor Dave of the Original Church of Chocolate approves of this thread. For more information see "The Chocolate Bible" by Christian Teubner
__________________
Remember one unassailable statistic, as explained by the late, great George Carlin: "Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are even stupider!"

Last edited by david_42; 02-12-2009 at 02:16 AM.
david_42 is offline Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-2009, 03:49 AM   #7
Senior Member
 
Edcculus's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Greenville, SC
Posts: 4,528
Blog Entries: 3
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zul'jin View Post
I made the mistake as a kid of eating cocoa powder (baking powder). It was not good. Very bitter and dusty tasting.

What happens in the wort and fermentation to change that bad flavor? Is it sweetened by the sugars in the wort even though most of those are fermented out? Is the cocoa itself fermented?
A lot of chocolate stout recipes call for some lactose to sweeten the beer up some too. Also, the residual sugars bring out the typical chocolate taste.
__________________

Primary:
Kegged (aging):
Kegged (Drinking): Cider
Bottled:Devil May Cry 10-10-10
On Deck: Berlinerweiss, more cider
Planning: Mild
Follow me on Twitter
Edcculus is offline Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2009, 02:29 AM   #8
Senior Member
 
ChshreCat's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Camano Island, WA, Washington
Posts: 9,463
Default

Quote:
Cocoa Nibs: roasted coffee beans
Cocoa nibs aren't coffee beans, though. They are roasted, dehulled and cracked cocoa beans.
__________________
"Science + beer = good!"
-Adam Savage

Last edited by ChshreCat; 02-24-2009 at 02:31 AM.
ChshreCat is offline Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2009, 02:34 AM   #9
Senior Member
 
Edcculus's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Greenville, SC
Posts: 4,528
Blog Entries: 3
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChshreCat View Post
Cocoa nibs aren't coffee beans, though. They are roasted, dehulled and cracked cocoa beans.
Thanks for pointing that out. Typo!
__________________

Primary:
Kegged (aging):
Kegged (Drinking): Cider
Bottled:Devil May Cry 10-10-10
On Deck: Berlinerweiss, more cider
Planning: Mild
Follow me on Twitter
Edcculus is offline Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2009, 02:41 AM   #10
Senior Member
 
ChshreCat's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Camano Island, WA, Washington
Posts: 9,463
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Edcculus View Post
Thanks for pointing that out. Typo!
I figured that with all that information you had, that had to by a typo and not what you actually thought they were. heheh

Cocoa nibs are one of my favorite things. I just like to munch 'em. When I do my chocolate stout, I think I'll do cocoa nibs in the secondary. That might not be the best way to get chocolate into it, but it's just want I wanna do.

Nice info, btw.
__________________
"Science + beer = good!"
-Adam Savage
ChshreCat is offline Reply With Quote
Reply
Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
All-Grain - Chocolate Coffee Stout (Chocolate Jitterz) FermentEd Stout 53 12-18-2011 05:55 PM
Questions about Brewing with Chocolate JMSetzler Recipes/Ingredients 6 09-19-2009 06:52 AM
Did my chocolate stout lose its chocolate? Unkle Danky Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 6 12-03-2008 12:21 AM
brewing with chocolate BrewDey Recipes/Ingredients 4 06-05-2007 05:36 AM
Bison Brewing Chocolate Stout McKBrew Commerical Brew Discussion 4 03-24-2007 11:47 PM





Contact Us - Top - Privacy - All times are GMT. The time now is 07:50 PM.
Copyright © Group Builder, Inc - All Rights Reserved