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Old 04-03-2012, 02:05 PM   #1
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Any help on the recipe below would be fantastic. I've already bought the grain so I'm more or less looking for help with the hops and/or other flavorings. I am using the yeast from boulevard smokestack series Tank 7 Farmhouse ale dregs.
My lhbs-guy said that he thought sorachi-ace and citra would play well in a saison, and I've been wanting to try sorachi ace. I've done some reading on HBT and it seems that less is more when it comes to sorachi ace for flavoring/bittering. I've also got a bunch of simcoe, amarillo, and other various american IPA-type hops that I could use if someone thinks they would be a better fit.

Oh ya, I stole the grain bill from here: http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f71/nels...saison-229126/ (sorry Homebrewtastic).

Have a look and any advice would be great. THANKS IN ADVANCE!

Brew Method: All Grain
Style Name: Saison
Boil Time: 90 min
Batch Size: 5.5 gallons
Boil Size: 7 gallons
Efficiency: 70%

STATS:
Original Gravity: 1.057
Final Gravity: 1.011
ABV (standard): 6.02%
IBU (tinseth): 29.53
SRM (morey): 6.57

FERMENTABLES:
5 lb - Pilsner (44.4%)
3 lb - Pale 2-Row (26.7%)
2 lb - White Wheat (17.8%)
1 lb - Cane Sugar (8.9%)
0.25 lb - Special B (2.2%)

HOPS:
0.3 oz - Summit (AA 15) for 60 min, Type: Pellet, Use: Boil
0.35 oz - Citra (AA 11) for 10 min, Type: Pellet, Use: Boil
0.25 oz - Sorachi Ace (AA 11.1) for 10 min, Type: Pellet, Use: Boil
0.35 oz - Citra (AA 11) for 5 min, Type: Pellet, Use: Boil
0.25 oz - Sorachi Ace (AA 11.1) for 5 min, Type: Leaf/Whole, Use: Boil

YEAST:
Tank 7 Farmhouse Ale dregs (boulevard smokestack series)

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Old 04-03-2012, 02:08 PM   #2
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I have a sorachi ace/citra saison on tap right now! I can remember exactly how much I used of each. I think I used them in roughly equal amounts. I'm very pleased with the result. Next time I think I'll add a touch more citra at the end. I can recall for sure but I suspect my aroma addition was probably at most 1/2 oz of both S.A. and Citra combined.

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I don't see anything wrong with the recipe. I guess the question is more what you want it to taste like. You can dump almost anything into a saison.

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I guess I'm looking for saison with hops that provide a subtle fruity taste and aroma.

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Old 04-03-2012, 04:12 PM   #5
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Looks pretty solid. I second the late addition of citra. I have used brown sugar and candi sugar in saisons past, but I imagine you'll have equally great results with cane sugar.

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Old 04-03-2012, 04:21 PM   #6
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IIRC all Smokestack series beers are bottled with champagne yeast. Culturing the dregs won't net you the primary strain. Apparently they use an abbey yeast strain in Tank 7 from what I've read, but I'm sure you can have pretty good success using a blend of a few different commercially available strains. 3711 is a good one to start with, it's less finicky than 3724, and it's pretty good when paired with 3522 and 3944 (in my experience at least).

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Thanks phenry. I made a starter with the dregs, sounds like that was a waste of time. I think I'll go with 3711 on its own.

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How did this turn out? I just got a four-pack of Tank 7 and had planned to yeast harvest... bad idea?

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It tasted great when I sampled it at bottling, but I just bottled it so I'm not sure yet. I ended up using wyeast 3711, and dumping the tank 7 dregs because someone told me it was champagne yeast.

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