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Bisco_Ben 02-05-2013 07:21 PM

Trying to put together a Double/Imperial Wit recipe.
 
So I just picked up some wyeast belgian wit yeast to add to my yeast bank. I am thinking about making a double/imperial wit similar to the Southampton Double White (such a great beer). I am honestly not the biggest wheat beer fan so I am not very familiar with putting these sorts of recipes together. Here is what I have put together so far, any insight would be greatly appreciated!

Double White (5.5 gallons)

Ingredients

8 lbs Pilsner (2 Row) Bel (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 53.3 %
4 lbs Wheat Malt, Bel (2.0 SRM) Grain 2 26.7 %
3 lbs White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM) Grain 3 20.0 %
1.50 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 4 22.3 IBUs
0.50 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 5 1.5 IBUs
0.75 oz Coriander Seed (Boil 5.0 mins) Spice 6 -
0.75 oz Orange Peel, Bitter (Boil 5.0 mins) Spice 7 -
0.25 oz Seeds of Paradise (Boil 5.0 mins) Spice 8 -
1.0 pkg Belgian Witbier (Wyeast Labs #3944) [124.21 ml] Yeast 9 -

Mash @ 152 for 60 minutes.

Beer Profile
Est Original Gravity: 1.073
Est Final Gravity: 1.017
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 7.5 %
Bitterness: 23.8 IBUs
Est Color: 4.5 SRM

adamc 02-06-2013 02:02 AM

If I was going to brew an imperial wheat, I think I would be looking for a little higher OG. Personal preference I guess.
As with any big beer, aerate and pitch enough yeast cells.
Everything else looks fine to me.

Maybe some hallertauer hops instead of cascade.

Bisco_Ben 02-06-2013 04:17 AM

thanks for your input adamc! I kicked up the gravity a bit and changed the hop to saaz since I have that on hand (I have US saaz, the AA% is 8.0). I only have 1.5 oz so I got rid of the 5 minute addition in order to get some more ibus to balance the beer out. let me know what you think of this hop schedule and level of ibus. also changed the amount of paradise seeds to 2 oz. Any insight on amount of spices would be greatly appreciated as I am not sure how much to use. heres the updated recipe:

Double White
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.50 gal
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 %

Ingredients
9 lbs Pilsner (2 Row) Bel (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 50.0 %
5 lbs Wheat Malt, Bel (2.0 SRM) Grain 2 27.8 %
4 lbs White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM) Grain 3 22.2 %
1.50 oz Saaz [8.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 4 29.5 IBUs
2.00 g Seeds of Paradise (Boil 5.0 mins) Spice 5 -
0.75 oz Coriander Seed (Boil 5.0 mins) Spice 6 -
0.75 oz Orange Peel, Bitter (Boil 5.0 mins) Spice 7 -
1.0 pkg Belgian Witbier (Wyeast Labs #3944) [124.21 ml] Yeast 8 -

Beer Profile
Est Original Gravity: 1.085
Est Final Gravity: 1.019
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 8.8 %
Bitterness: 29.5 IBUs
Est Color: 5.1 SRM

Bisco_Ben 02-06-2013 04:29 AM

ALSO, I have a half ounce of hallertau leftover that I could use as the 5 minute addition, and would bring the overall IBU's to 30, if the late hop addition is important.

Bisco_Ben 02-06-2013 04:41 AM

Actually, after doing a little reading I have changed up my recipe a bit. I see that sam adams imperial white is over 10% and only 15 ibus, so I upped the gravity a bit more and relaxed on the ibus. Here is what I have in mind and will plan to brew unless anyone has some suggestions on how to improve. Any help would be very much appreciated!!


Ingredients

10 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 50.0 %
4 lbs Wheat Malt, Bel (2.0 SRM) Grain 2 20.0 %
4 lbs White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM) Grain 3 20.0 %
2 lbs Wheat, Flaked (1.6 SRM) Grain 4 10.0 %
1.00 oz Saaz [8.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 18.4 IBUs
0.50 oz Saaz [8.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 6 1.8 IBUs
2.00 g Seeds of Paradise (Boil 5.0 mins) Spice 7 -
0.75 oz Coriander Seed (Boil 5.0 mins) Spice 8 -
0.75 oz Orange Peel, Bitter (Boil 5.0 mins) Spice 9 -
1.0 pkg Belgian Witbier (Wyeast Labs #3944) [124.21 ml] Yeast 10 -

Beer Profile
Est Original Gravity: 1.094
Est Final Gravity: 1.021
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 9.7 %
Bitterness: 20.2 IBUs
Est Color: 5.4 SRM

worksnorth 02-06-2013 04:48 AM

Might want to toss a bunch of rice hulls in this mash too, avoid the chance of a stuck sparge. Cheap insurance :-)

daksin 02-06-2013 05:13 AM

I would keep the spicing at the normal level for a wit- they can get overpowering fast.

Bisco_Ben 02-06-2013 11:06 PM

good point daksin, so i will scale back the coriander and orange peel to .5 oz each. How much grains of paradise would you use here? I havent used them yet but I have heard they can be overpowering pretty easily. I have a single 2-gram packet on hand.

Bisco_Ben 02-06-2013 11:15 PM

Also, I am thinking about bottling this batch instead of kegging. What would be the ideal level of carbonation for a beer like this?

adamc 02-07-2013 11:20 AM

I typically don't do any late additions for a wheat beer. 60 mins to achieve desired ibu and that's it.

I also go for a 50:50 wheat:2-row most times. You will need rice hulls for sure. A pound...maybe more. Careful not to count them towards your percentages, but still count towards water volume and temp. Very important.

I have learned less is more with spices, but I know nothing about grains of paradise.


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