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Old 10-17-2013, 03:28 PM   #21
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I think ill try this myself....mad elf is pretty good stuff! Also looking for a clone for Highland Brewings "Cold Mtn. Winter Ale"...

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Old 10-18-2013, 01:43 PM   #22
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i am going to keg it so it should be just enough time. I have everything now so i can brew it tomm night as soon as i get off work. do you think i need a starter even if i use a Wyeast 3787 smack pack? i figured that using the high gravity yeast with the smack pack would be sufficient.
If you can, I would suggest it. 3787 is obviously tolerant to higher ABV but it is always good to make a starter. I have not used this yeast before but I am pretty sure the high alcohol yeast are just able to survive in higher alcohol concentration; that doesn't mean they will not produce unwanted esters if under pitched. If you are brewing tonight then it is probably too late unless you make it now and use a stir plate. Mr. Malty suggests a 2 1/3 L starter for this OG (1.095) regardless of yeast.

That being said, you could always just use 2 or 3 packs to properly pitch (Mr. Malty suggests 3.5...)
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Old 10-18-2013, 03:12 PM   #23
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If you can, I would suggest it. 3787 is obviously tolerant to higher ABV but it is always good to make a starter. I have not used this yeast before but I am pretty sure the high alcohol yeast are just able to survive in higher alcohol concentration; that doesn't mean they will not produce unwanted esters if under pitched. If you are brewing tonight then it is probably too late unless you make it now and use a stir plate. Mr. Malty suggests a 2 1/3 L starter for this OG (1.095) regardless of yeast.

That being said, you could always just use 2 or 3 packs to properly pitch (Mr. Malty suggests 3.5...)
see and now i am not sure what to do. I am planning on brewing this today, but i am unable to get my hands on anymore 3787 as my LHBS is out and i would have to drive 1.5 hours or so to get another one. maybe i will brew today, make a starter before i start brewing and when it is going well pitch it. so sometime late tomm i will pitch...seems to be the best case scenario since i wont have time except for today to brew...
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see and now i am not sure what to do. I am planning on brewing this today, but i am unable to get my hands on anymore 3787 as my LHBS is out and i would have to drive 1.5 hours or so to get another one. maybe i will brew today, make a starter before i start brewing and when it is going well pitch it. so sometime late tomm i will pitch...seems to be the best case scenario since i wont have time except for today to brew...
I don't know, you might get away with it you have a stir plate, big starter and it gets to high krausen at pitching time.

But in all likely hood, I would worry about under pitching with your proposed schedule. If it were me I would postpone brewing rather than risk the whole batch.
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Old 10-18-2013, 03:44 PM   #25
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see and now i am not sure what to do. I am planning on brewing this today, but i am unable to get my hands on anymore 3787 as my LHBS is out and i would have to drive 1.5 hours or so to get another one. maybe i will brew today, make a starter before i start brewing and when it is going well pitch it. so sometime late tomm i will pitch...seems to be the best case scenario since i wont have time except for today to brew...
I am honestly torn on this one. While I can see wobrien's point, If I were in your shoes I would probably brew today and pitch tomorrow like you have said. Since it is the first time you are brewing this it may be better just to do it but under pitching may give you a wrong impression as to the taste of the beer. As you can see I am wavering in my opinion as I type... Ah hell, just go for it!
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yes i am torn as well...this beer has to be ready on dec 12th and not a day later...so i am on a severe time crunch. if i dont get this going today then it will have to wait another week and not be ready by the 12th since it needs so much conditioning time. i am going to just make the starter today and pitch as soon as i can...

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yes i am torn as well...this beer has to be ready on dec 12th and not a day later...so i am on a severe time crunch. if i dont get this going today then it will have to wait another week and not be ready by the 12th since it needs so much conditioning time. i am going to just make the starter today and pitch as soon as i can...
Go for it, then make it again soon with a nice starter and compare the two. That is usually my strategy with these dilemmas.
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You know what, my reading comprehension must be off this morning. I thought you were planning on pitching at the end of your brew day. If you are going to pitch tomorrow, that should give you enough time. But pitch at high krausen and throw in the whole starter, you won't have time to properly cold crash and decant.

Also, be especially anal about your sanitation if you are going to let your wort sit overnight.

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Also, be especially anal about your sanitation if you are going to let your wort sit overnight.
I second this. Sanitize multiple times and use an airlock. I have done this before but it came with its share of nerves.
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Old 10-18-2013, 09:30 PM   #30
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well I decided to play it safe and re arranged tomorrow so I can brew...SHMBO isn't super happy, but she knows brewing is important to me so she isn't too bad off...waiting for the smack pack to blow up so I can get the starter going.

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