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Old 03-12-2009, 03:17 AM   #1
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On a whim I contacted the brewery for some ideas on where to start for a homebrew version of Abyss. Not even 24 hrs later I get a nice response thanking me for my interest, some ideas to get started and not to forget that Abyss is aged in Bourbon Oak barrels. Oh, and to let them know how it turns out.


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Imperial Stout Clone

Specifics:

Recipe type: All grain
Batch size: 5 U.S. gallons
Original gravity: 1.100
Final gravity: 1.018
Boil time: 90 minutes
Fermentation temp: 65° F
Yeast type: English Ale

NW 2 row pale malt
Black malt and black barley
C 120, C 60
Malted Wheat
Roasted Barley
Victory or biscuit

Hops:
Millenium, Chinook


Temps, times and weights are the challenge. Happy Brewing!

Some might look at this and say, "well, that does not tell you a lot." I say, I am going to start tinkering in BeerTools and see what comes of it. I might not get as complex as Abyss, but I'll bet I come up with something drinkable.

Any thoughts on an initial direction?



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Old 03-12-2009, 03:39 AM   #2
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I contacted them about their Buzzsaw Brown. I got the same generic response with a recipe with no amounts. I was thinking of doing the exact thing you are, play around and see how it turns out.



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My brown biscuit ale is tastes frighteningly close to Buzzsaw Brown. You're welcome to the recipe. It's a pretty simple PM.

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I thought it was pretty cool to send anything at all! I am going to mess with it a bit and see. The Buzzsaw Brown sounds good too - I like that one.

A bit off topic- I was at the new pub in Portland and had the Cinder Oak - Cinder cone red aged in oak. Amazing...

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I like the Cinder Cone red, haven't had it oaked though.

I saw on Deschutes site that they're coming out with Mirror Mirror again any time now.

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What they gave you is extremely helpful if you couple it with other resources such as Designing Great Beers.

Victory/Biscuit is often paired with domestic 2-row in commercial breweries to get a Maris Otter flavor profile at a much lower cost. Use 3-5% in the grain bill. Or you can drop the Victory and just use Maris Otter for the home-brewed version if you have the budget!

Malted wheat is probably used at 5% of the grist for added body and head retention which can be lacking in such a big beer. Late hop additions or dry hopping will also help improve head retention.

For an imperial stout according to DGB you are usually looking at around 10% crystal and 10% roast malt for the grain bill. I'd go with 50% roasted barley and 50% black malt myself having tasted this beer... it's pretty aggressive on the black malt.

To get to that FG probably want to mash around 154*F and use a clean, attenuative yeast like WY1272 American Ale II around 68*F or WY1028 London Ale at 65*F. I'd pitch a gallon starter into 5 gallons, or maybe make a nice cream ale for summer and pitch on the cake. You want to do everything you can to ensure you don't get an under-attenuated beer when you are at 1.100 as a starting gravity.

Oh, and don't forget to add the licorice and the molasses!

One more thought... millennium is another member of the CTZ family (columbus/tomahawk/zeus) so any of those will sub.

You might want to ask them how they treat their water and what their water profile is like.

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Wow- thanks for all the advice - I actually own DGB so that should be a valuable guide. Yeah - can't forget the molasses and such - that will make a difference for sure. I cannot think of a more complex beer I've ever tasted. Should be fun.

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To the guy who got the overall for the Buzzsaw, can you post it? I love that beer.

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To the guy who got the overall for the Buzzsaw, can you post it? I love that beer.
I will in a separate post.
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Ive been playing with some brewing calculators and ive been thinking this is a good grain bill.

comments? suggestions? BMC?

14# Pale 2 row malt 1.8srm
3# Black Malt 65srm
2# Roasted English srm500
1# crystal 120L
1# crystal 60L
0.5# Carapils srm2.5
0.75# Wheat malt srm2
1# Black Barley srm525
1# Victory srm25

Total Grain: 24.50 LBS

Estimated SRM 89.4
at 100% eff. 1.164 OG
at 64% eff 1.100 OG

Havn't figured out the hop additions yet but yeah let me know what you think of the flavor profile on that. I'd probably throw in a stick of Brewer's licorice as well.



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