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Old 03-13-2009, 10:01 PM   #1
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For reasons both financial and practical, I'm experimenting with Summit hops, and trying to take advantage of the super high alpha to stretch my budget. I just made my first experimental batch yesterday, a partial-mash Pale Ale, and it seems like I added hardly any--1/2 oz. for 60, 1/4 for 10, and a pinch at the end. The brew calculator I'm using estimated 65 IBUs, which would blow this out of the water. I realize that the alpha is high, but it seems that summit is often used in larger amounts than this--how does the bitterness and flavor play out here? I tasted the gravity sample, and it was kind of nice ... a sharp hop zing that quickly faded, which is different from the lingering Glacier and Golding I've been using lately. Still, it didn't seem like a 65 at first taste ...

Anyhow, I'll be brewing the next before I have a chance to taste this first one--any comments or advice on Summit recipe formulation?

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Old 03-14-2009, 12:50 AM   #2
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I LOVE summit hops!! There i said it! weighing in at 18.1%AA it only takes 1/2 oz to bitter a 5 gallon batch to even hop head standards. however that's where i stop with these hops because i think Cascade and centenial are superior american IPA flavor and aroma hops. I wouldn't use the summits just because i don't think you get the aroma from a pinch of summit that you could from an ounce of cascade. My 1/50th of a dollar.

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My "Sacred Summit" pale ale is still one of my favorites.

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To get proper aroma, you'd need to up the last addition to something more like a half oz i think. Move it to 0min and you shouldnt get much IBU change but a great deal of aroma.

I think i prefer it to both Cascade and Centennial for flavor and aroma. It gives off an intense tangerine aroma/flavor, but i guess that it just personal preference.

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I think i prefer it to both Cascade and Centennial for flavor and aroma. It gives off an intense tangerine aroma/flavor, but i guess that it just personal preference.
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Summit is awesome, I still have some leftover from a 1lb purchase last year. I put at least one addition in nearly every APA or IPA I make lately. It's that awesome!

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I just tasted an all Summit IPA out of secondary and so far the comments in this thread are right on as far as the aroma. Holy orange-tangerine!

However, I hopped this up to be a pretty decent IPA (65 IBUs) and I'm really quite displeased at the perceived bitterness I'm getting from it. I think I'm going to have to add a hopshot to get some bitterness into this beer. I'm going to wait and carb it up but the first tastes I was disappointed considering the high alphas Summit advertises.

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I just tasted an all Summit IPA out of secondary and so far the comments in this thread are right on as far as the aroma. Holy orange-tangerine!

However, I hopped this up to be a pretty decent IPA (65 IBUs) and I'm really quite displeased at the perceived bitterness I'm getting from it. I think I'm going to have to add a hopshot to get some bitterness into this beer. I'm going to wait and carb it up but the first tastes I was disappointed considering the high alphas Summit advertises.
Yeah...for a high alpha hop...summit is about as mild as they come.

I did notice that once the beer finished out and was carb'd up, the bitterness came through more.
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Thanks for the advice everyone--It'll be useful on the next round. From my perspective, since I'm only going for a PA rather than and IPA, Dude's comment on the lower perceived bitterness fits the mark, since I was afraid I way overhopped this batch. We'll see, but I'll probably stick with the same amount next time and go on faith.

As for the aroma, I love the smell right out of the bag, so I'll add more at the 0 mark on the next batch to see if I can get a good whiff, especially with the descriptions here. I tried a beer in Kalamazoo MI last year, called Hopmouth, I think, and it was fantastic, with a ton of aroma but not too much bitterness--I wouldn't mind that effect, if I could pull it off.

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Where can I purchase Summit hops?

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