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Old 03-20-2013, 08:53 PM   #1
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I just brewed a basil rye saison and have some 3711 yeast to use now. I was thinking of trying something like this:

Batch Size (fermenter): 5.50 gal
Bottling Volume: 5.50 gal
Estimated OG: 1.054 SG
Estimated Color: 22.8 SRM
Estimated IBU: 27.7 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 75.7 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
6 lbs Pilsner (2 Row) Bel (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 53.3 %
4 lbs Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 2 35.6 %
4.0 oz Chocolate Wheat Malt (400.0 SRM) Grain 3 2.2 %
1 lbs Candi Sugar, Dark (180.0 SRM) Sugar 4 8.9 %
1.00 oz Sterling [7.50 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 25.5 IBUs
1.00 oz Sterling [7.50 %] - Boil 2.0 min Hop 6 2.2 IBUs
1.0 pkg French Saison (Wyeast Labs #3711) [50.28 Yeast 7 -
1.00 lb Raspberries (Secondary 0.0 mins) Other 8 -


Any thoughts? I'm pretty set on the amount of raspberries, you may think it's too low but I like a really subtle contribution.

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Ray Daniels recommends 1lb/per gallon in "Designing Great Beers" for fruits such as raspberries. I doubt you'll notice the 1 lb of raspberry in this recipe in the flavor. You may end up with a very, very subtle hint of it in the aroma, but I would honestly recommend 2 - 3 lbs of raspberries if you're going for a very subtle contribution.

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Like darwin said 1lb is not enough, i would skip raspberries all together and add some cascade instead of 2min sterling for citrusy flavors thats goes great with 3711 profile (at list for me) or bump raspberries to 5lb for subtle flavor, anyway please post back your results

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Ray Daniels recommends 1lb/per gallon in "Designing Great Beers" for fruits such as raspberries. I doubt you'll notice the 1 lb of raspberry in this recipe in the flavor. You may end up with a very, very subtle hint of it in the aroma, but I would honestly recommend 2 - 3 lbs of raspberries if you're going for a very subtle contribution.
I don't mean to be a dick, but I wrote that bit at the end for a reason. I've used raspberries before. 4 oz per gallon is plenty for me, and I'm sure you'd notice the contribution from that amount.
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NVM - good luck with the beer.

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I've used raspberries a lot too and there are super strong doesn't take much....I think it's a cool idea

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I've used raspberries a lot too and there are super strong doesn't take much....I think it's a cool idea
Yeah man, the thing with them is that the flavor is so one dimensional, it almost seems artificial. That's why I don't like it to be something you really notice. You can add more next time, but you can't subtract. Also, I don't really brew "fruit beers" in the sense that fruit takes center stage. It's a background player.

Kinda new to saisons but I think this recipe could work really well. D-180 is a really great ingredient to use.
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Yeah man, the thing with them is that the flavor is so one dimensional, it almost seems artificial. That's why I don't like it to be something you really notice. You can add more next time, but you can't subtract. Also, I don't really brew "fruit beers" in the sense that fruit takes center stage. It's a background player.

Kinda new to saisons but I think this recipe could work really well. D-180 is a really great ingredient to use.
Look into making your own candi syrup....It's real easy and the flavor is unique
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Look into making your own candi syrup....It's real easy and the flavor is unique
Without going into details, it isn't possible to make candi syrup at home. It's more than just caramelized invert sugar.
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Yeah man, the thing with them is that the flavor is so one dimensional, it almost seems artificial. That's why I don't like it to be something you really notice. You can add more next time, but you can't subtract. Also, I don't really brew "fruit beers" in the sense that fruit takes center stage. It's a background player.

Kinda new to saisons but I think this recipe could work really well. D-180 is a really great ingredient to use.
Just beware of the color that D-180 will impart. I wanted a orangish color Saison, threw the 180 in and it came in amberish in color. I should say it was more color than I expected it to contribute.
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