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Old 09-09-2012, 10:56 PM   #1
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I had this beer on draft at a beer festival recently and it kind of blew my mind. Stone shared a bit of information on their blog about the beer so i decided to put together an attempted clone of it, which i will brew next weekend. Unfortunately it uses just about every fancy hard to find hop out there, so this beer better be damn good!

I had to make a lot of guesses when putting this thing together. The hop timings offered are vague, so i went with a typical late hopping schedule. The quantities of each hop arent given, so i went with consistent numbers for each type. I do no have hop extract for bitterness, so I plugged in Magnum for bittering instead. Dry hopping lists Primary Vs. Secondary just to differentiate the two additions. I will have a 20 minute hot whirlpool, which along with the fact that the Calypso hops arent being calculated in the overall IBUs will boost the beers actual IBUs. Calculated IBU's always seem too high compared to perceived bitterness.

Grain bill is 100% based on what I tasted at the festival.

I am looking for any input from others who have tasted this beer.

Here is the output from Beer Tools Pro:

Enjoy By 9.21.12
14-C Imperial IPA
Author: Holter
Date: 9/16/12



Size: 12.0*gal
Efficiency: 80%
Attenuation: 88.0%
Calories: 265.55*kcal per 12.0*fl oz

Original Gravity: 1.081 (1.075 - 1.090)
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Terminal Gravity: 1.010 (1.010 - 1.020)
|=======#========================|
Color: 8.17 (8.0 - 15.0)
|========#=======================|
Alcohol: 9.4% (7.5% - 10.0%)
|====================#===========|
Bitterness: 73.4 (60.0 - 120.0)
|===========#====================|

Ingredients:
25.3*lb 2-Row Brewers Malt
3.0*lb White Table Sugar (Sucrose)
3.0*lb Munich 10L Malt
1.5*lb Crystal 15
2.0*oz Calypso (15.1%) - added during mash
1.6*oz Magnum (12.8%) - added during boil, boiled 90.0*m
2.0*oz Simcoe® (12.2%) - added during boil, boiled 10.0*m
2.0*oz Amarillo® (8.5%) - added during boil, boiled 10.0*m
2.0*oz Delta (4.5%) - added during boil, boiled 10.0*m
2.0*oz Target (8.0%) - added during boil, boiled 10.0*m
3.0*oz Motueka (7.0%) - added during boil, boiled 0.0*m
3.0*oz Citra™ (13.6%) - added during boil, boiled 0.0*m
3.0*oz Cascade (7.0%) - added during boil, boiled 0.0*m
3.0*oz Nelson Sauvin (10.9%) - added dry to primary fermenter
3.0*oz Galaxy (13.6%) - added dry to primary fermenter
3.0*oz Nelson Sauvin (10.9%) - added dry to secondary fermenter
3.0*oz Galaxy (13.6%) - added dry to secondary fermenter
4.0*ea White Labs WLP001 California Ale

Schedule:

00:03:00 Mash In - Liquor: 11.61*gal; Strike: 164.15*°F; Target: 151.0*°F
01:03:00 Sacc Rest - Rest: 60.0*m; Final: 151.0*°F
01:23:00 Sparge - Sparge Volume: 14.9*gal; Sparge Temperature: 168.0*°F; Runoff: 14.23*gal

Notes
Based off of Stone's Enjoy By.

Results generated by BeerTools Pro 1.5.21

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Old 09-10-2012, 06:49 PM   #2
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Well, I think you're on the right track. I know Stone typically only has two hop additions, one at 90 for bittering and one big whirlpool. It's tough to adjust a big commercial whirlpool recipe to a homebrew system, where our cooling/whirlpooling is going to be way different. One thing to note is that Stone's house yeast is WLP007. I'd try to grab that if you can.

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Old 10-12-2012, 11:42 PM   #3
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how'd this turn out? I'd interested i knowing how the Galaxy worked, mostly. Did you really use 2 POUNDS of hops in a 12 gallon batch? That's righteous!!!

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Old 10-13-2012, 06:35 AM   #4
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I just set the fridge to cold crash tonight, so i should have it on tap in a few days. I really did use the hop bill listed above. My dry hop schedule was two addition, 7 days each. I added the first dry hop in the primary (conical) then transferred over to secondary for the second dry hop. I ended up sticking with WLP-001. I also changed up my mash schedule a bit to have a rest at 146 and 154. My fermentation ended at 1.014 unfortunately, so we will see how it tastes.

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WTF are Delta hops? I have never heard of that variety. Do they resemble any other hops?

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Old 10-13-2012, 07:27 AM   #6
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Ive never used them before, i just read on the stone blog that they were used. From what i read they are a cross between Fuggles and Cascade.

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How was it! Had the 12/21/12 yesterday! Wow!

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How did this turn out for you? I'm drinking a 12-21 right now and I would say on paper you made a great stab in the dark at the recipe. The only thing I'm not getting out of the grist that you mentioned is any Munich. Curious on your tasting notes from your clone! cheers

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Ill tell you what, its definitely not close to cloned - the hops need to be dialed back a lot. I just got my hands on a 12.21.12 as well and will probably do a side by side in the next week. Once i do that I will post a revised recipe. The first recipe was an attempt at keeping all of the hops kind of equal across the board, but there is something in there that is TOO dank. The hops in Enjoy By are lighter and almost sweeter than what my beer turned out to be.

But i will say its a fine IIPA.

Without tasting side by side this is what i would change. No change to the malts. Hops:

1.0*oz Calypso (15.1%) - added during mash (1 OZ LESS)
1.6*oz Magnum (12.8%) - added during boil, boiled 90.0*m (NO CHANGE)
2.0*oz Simcoe® (12.2%) - added during boil, boiled 10.0*m (NO CHANGE)
2.0*oz Amarillo® (8.5%) - added during boil, boiled 10.0*m (NO CHANGE)
.5*oz Delta (4.5%) - added during boil, boiled 10.0*m (1.5 OZ LESS)
.5*oz Target (8.0%) - added during boil, boiled 10.0*m (1.5 OZ LESS)
1.0*oz Motueka (7.0%) - added during boil, boiled 0.0*m (2 OZ LESS)
3.0*oz Citra™ (13.6%) - added during boil, boiled 0.0*m (NO CHANGE)
1.0*oz Cascade (7.0%) - added during boil, boiled 0.0*m (2 OZ LESS)
3.0*oz Nelson Sauvin (10.9%) - added dry to primary fermenter (NO CHANGE)
1.0*oz Galaxy (13.6%) - added dry to primary fermenter (2 OZ LESS)
3.0*oz Nelson Sauvin (10.9%) - added dry to secondary fermenter (NO CHANGE)
1.0*oz Galaxy (13.6%) - added dry to secondary fermenter(2 OZ LESS)

So thats a total of 12oz fewer hops. I dont know enough about several of the hops (calypso, motueka, target and delta) so i decreased those a lot. I know Amarillo, Simcoe and Nelson are going to give that light, sweet hop aroma and flavor so i left those as is. I think the aroma for Enjoy By is mostly the Nelson mixed with other background hops, so i changed the ratio of dry hops to emphasize the Nelsons.

Ill post again once i do a side by side.

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Sounds great. Ya the nose is mostly Nelson and galaxy, I read on their website they used 2lbs/bbl of each for the dry hop, so u should be able to scale that exactly. Motueka has a tropical profile, most similar to galaxy but a little less fruity. Calypso has a strong lemon flavor and delta and target have a earthy European flavor and aroma.

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