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Old 12-21-2008, 10:39 PM   #11
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And a search of the site brings up this thread:
http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/ston...d-clone-17348/

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Old 12-21-2008, 11:02 PM   #12
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And a search of the site brings up this thread:
http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/ston...d-clone-17348/
That was included in the few recipes I mentioned, which (from my perspective) seem not to approximate the Double B.

EDIT: See two recipes below. Which one seems "better?"
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Old 12-22-2008, 02:37 AM   #13
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In my searches, I've determined there are two philosophies for approaching the Double Bastard. The two separate recipes below reflect these two philosophies (while taking into consideration the ingredients/equipment I have on hand). Which one seems the better clone?

Yeast is WLP007 for both.

DB Clone #1
Partial Mash
(Approx) 6 gallon boil, 5.25 batch size
OG: 1.097
FG: 1.021
IBU: 100+
SRM: 15
Efficiency: 70% (low-ball, will adjust as needed on brew day)

8lb Maris Otter
1lb CaraPils
1lb CaraMunich
1lb CaraVienne

5lb Light DME

1 oz Nugget (12%, 90 min)
1 oz Nugget (12%, 60 min)
1 oz Nugget (12%, 20 min)

1 oz Nugget (dry hop)

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DB Clone #2
Partial Mash
(Approx.) 6 gallon boil, 5.25 batch size
OG: 1.097
FG: 1.021
IBU: 100+
SRM: 20
Efficiency: 70% (low-ball, will adjust as needed on brew day)

7lb Maris Otter
2lb Munich
.5lb Aromatic
.5lb Biscuit
.5lb Special B
.5lb Carmel Wheat

5 lb Light DME

2 oz Nugget (12%, 60 min)
1 oz Nugget (12%, 20 min)
.5 oz Nugget (12%, 10 min)
.5 oz Nugget (12 %, 5 min)

2 oz Nugget (Dry hop)

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Old 12-22-2008, 01:22 PM   #14
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Hmm. AB is 2-row, 1.5lb of C120, and Chinook hops.. about 5 ounces of them, all in the kettle. Very simple recipe!

I would expect DB would be similar to AB but with a bigger grain and hop bill to ramp it to 1.096 and 100IBU + dry hopping; although, BIG disclaimer is I have one bomber of DB, and I haven't tried it yet, so I can't say with any certainty!

Reading through some taste notes online it sounds like 2-row + C120L will do it for the grainbill. The description of the hops makes it sound like there may be centennial and/or cascades plus simcoe in addition to chinook. I doubt there are more than 2 hops though, based on their other recipes, and chinook is almost certainly one of them since so much of the AB character comes from that hop.

Anybody tried it have any idea on the hops??

OK OK I'm sticking my bomber in the fridge and subscribing to this thread.

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Old 12-22-2008, 01:58 PM   #15
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Dug up this old thread:

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/ston...d-clone-17348/

The thing about Stone recipes is they are all dead simple. They generally use 1 or 2 different hops and 1 or 2 specialty malts in their brews. All the clone recipes I dug up seem to be overly complicated. Special B and munich and aromatic.. This isn't a dubbel! C120 has all of those flavor notes though, when you use a lot.

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Old 12-22-2008, 03:19 PM   #16
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I've done an Arrogant Bastard Clone and a Double Bastard clone, both from AHS. Not sure how the double will turn out as I just bottled it, but the regular turned out excellent. Looking at the recipes above, I disagree with the hops. Mine used all Chinook and was dead on.

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Old 12-23-2008, 04:55 AM   #17
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When stone was on the session they said double bastard uses the same ingredients as arrogant bastard.

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Old 12-23-2008, 05:47 PM   #18
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With the above two recipes, I switched out the cascade/nugget combo for 100% nugget (as nugget is a fair approximation/substitute for Chinook, and I have some on hand).

So on one hand, number 2 has a more complicated grain bill, but number 1 has a longer boil. Maybe I should just use two pounds of 120C and call it a day?

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Maybe I should just use two pounds of 120C and call it a day?
I'd be very careful about adding that much 120C- the raisin and dark fruits will be too much to bear, I'm afraid. Referring to my brewing notes, I've not ever used more than a pound of crystal malt in a 5 gallon batch. Adjust the gravity with base malt.
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I'd go with 1.5# of C120L, and enough 2-row to get to 1.096. Then use enough hops to get to 100 IBU, toss in a handful at 15, and a handful at 5, and dry hop it until the fermenter looks like hop soup.

My best guess is that Stone actually uses Crystal 150L at 10-15% of the grist, but it's hard to find; C120L is close enough for me.

I've tried the AB clone with 1.5# of C120L from another homebrewer, and it's absolutely 100% dead on with the original.

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