Stone 15th Anniversary Escondidian Imperial Black IPA clone - Page 10

htownbrew12 · 02-02-2012, 08:25 PM

Just bottled this afternoon. FG came down to 1.017 so I am pretty happy with that. Sample was awesome. Of my 3 brews this is the first one I though tasted good at bottling. Only complaint was that I expected slightly more hop aroma. I will report back in a few weeks.

@sivdrinks: Sorry for the delay on the BIAB recipe; I haven't checked this thread in awhile. I don't think that I am the best example of the BIAB technique (I used 2 pots on the stove top and had to wing it due to lack of equipment/experience), but I will show you what I did.

Stone 15th Anniversary Imperial Black IPA
Type: AG BIAB
Batch Size: 2.75
Boil Size: 4.0 gal
Boil Time: 75 min
Planned Efficiency - 70%
Expected OG = 1.102 Actual OG = 1.095
Expected FG = 1.023 Actual FG = 1.017

Ingredients:
10lb 2-row
1.0 lb Caramel 80L
0.5lb Carafa III
0.5 lb Chocolate Malt
0.5 lb Dark Candi Sugar - added 15 min left in boil

Hops
1.0 oz Columbus - 60min
1.2 Oz Citira - 15 min
1.8 oz Citra -1 min
1.0 oz pacific Gem - 1 min
1.4 oz Nelson Sauvin - dry hop 7 days

Pitched 1.5L starter of WLP001.

I knew my "5 gallon" (read 4.25) kettles wouldn't hold all the grain so I split the mash. Mashed in each pot 1.1qt/lb - 60 min @ 153
Dunk sparge each pot 1.0qt/lb - 25 min
I didn't squeeze the bag because I knew I already had too much wort.
poured the wort from each kettle back and forth to insure they were equally mixed.
Added as much wort as possible to my boil kettle (still had a few quarts left over)
Preboil OG + calculations told me I needed to boil for ~ 75 minutes.

Wernerherzog · 02-08-2012, 08:54 PM

I'm worried about doing this beer because of wanting to age it in primary but won't I lose a lot of the last addition hop aroma from that? Curious to hear what people have to say. I've done plenty of big beers and plenty of hoppy beers but never a really big beer that aimed at so much aroma.,

**skeezerpleezer** · 02-09-2012, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Wernerherzog

I'm worried about doing this beer because of wanting to age it in primary but won't I lose a lot of the last addition hop aroma from that? Curious to hear what people have to say. I've done plenty of big beers and plenty of hoppy beers but never a really big beer that aimed at so much aroma.,

Although it is a big beer it doesn't need to age a long time since it is an IPA (how long are you talking). There is plenty of aroma that will last a long time. To help, don't dry hop until just before bottling.

Brewitt · 02-13-2012, 12:24 AM

Sipping one of these right now (well, my simcoe amarillo variant) about 5 weeks after brewing and two weeks in the bottle. Fine carbonation, tan head, almost black but good clarity. Beautiful chocolate and coffee undertones to a rich sweet malt backbone. Dryhop nose is apparent but, as I've found with my hoppy stout with a similar malt bill, the bitterness of the hop and the roasted malt get confused in my tastebuds so it is hard to say what is what. That said, Great flavor profile, much richer than you typical black IPA, almost a stout.

Winner!

drawdy10 · 02-13-2012, 12:56 AM

Brewed this today! at 65% efficiency i had to use 3 extra pounds of 2-row.
I finished with 6 gallons at 1.095 since i didn't have my boil off rates down on this new pot but extra beer is fine with me!
Those 5 ounces at flameout with whole leaf hops is quite ridiculous but it tasted great from the hydro sample. Pitched a 2 Liter/ 2 vial starter of WLP001 and split the batch between 2-6 gallon carboys. Also, i used Amarillo instead of Pacific Jade since I bought my hops from freshhops.com and they don't have Jade. Also, I am planning on dry hopping with Citra and Amarillo instead of Nelson since I have no idea where to get those. Do you think that Nelson is crucial for this or will a citra/amarillo blend be fine?

Final cost to brew this beast: $60! Most expensive, biggest brew i have ever done.

Thanks for the recipe, having fun with this brew, cheers!

**skeezerpleezer** · 02-13-2012, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by drawdy10

Brewed this today! at 65% efficiency i had to use 3 extra pounds of 2-row.
I finished with 6 gallons at 1.095 since i didn't have my boil off rates down on this new pot but extra beer is fine with me!
Those 5 ounces at flameout with whole leaf hops is quite ridiculous but it tasted great from the hydro sample. Pitched a 2 Liter/ 2 vial starter of WLP001 and split the batch between 2-6 gallon carboys. Also, i used Amarillo instead of Pacific Jade since I bought my hops from freshhops.com and they don't have Jade. Also, I am planning on dry hopping with Citra and Amarillo instead of Nelson since I have no idea where to get those. Do you think that Nelson is crucial for this or will a citra/amarillo blend be fine?

Final cost to brew this beast: $60! Most expensive, biggest brew i have ever done.

Thanks for the recipe, having fun with this brew, cheers!

This is my first recipe using Pacific Jade, so don't know a lot about it. Nelson has a different flavor and from what I have seen there isn't a real alternate, but I love me some citra and Amarillo. I bet it ends up being great.

I haven't calculated my cost to brew this, but can't imagine it was over $35, probably less. I did drop $6 on the Belgian candy sugar, need to make my own next time. Did you pay a premium for hops? Grains? $60 seems pretty high. Still way cheaper than $8 a bomber if it comes out good though.

Keiskamma1 · 02-13-2012, 03:45 AM

Nelson Sauvin is unique, there is no substitute.

My brew of this cost $65.11 for a 5 gallon extract batch.

I used the Pacific Jade and Nelson Sauvin hops. No yeast cost though as I cultured from a bottle of the original. Should probably factor that cost in, but then I did get to enjoy 80% of it.
Been drinking my creation for a couple of weeks now and I am totally loving it.

What a great beer this is!

**skeezerpleezer** · 02-13-2012, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Keiskamma1

Nelson Sauvin is unique, there is no substitute.

My brew of this cost $65.11 for a 5 gallon extract batch.

I used the Pacific Jade and Nelson Sauvin hops. No yeast cost though as I cultured from a bottle of the original. Should probably factor that cost in, but then I did get to enjoy 80% of it.
Been drinking my creation for a couple of weeks now and I am totally loving it.

What a great beer this is!

Gotta get to AG man, extract kills the cost of a brew. Glad it came out good though. I finally bottled up mine a few days ago, will probably crack one next weekend. The hydrometer sample was good.

Brewitt · 02-13-2012, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by htownbrew12

Only complaint was that I expected slightly more hop aroma. I will report back in a few weeks.

I have found that the roastier the brew the more the dry hop disappears into the roastiness. I think your nose and taste buds just confuse the aroma of the hop with that of the roast. If you really focus you can tease them apart. I brewed 5 gal of a russian imperial stout with 100 IBU and several ounces of dry hop and felt the same way. My version of the Escondidian has a similar effect. Without the chocolate malt it might be a little more noticeable, at least the other two Black IPAs I have done were noticeably hoppy with the same IBUs and dry hop.

drawdy10 · 02-14-2012, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by skeezerpleezer

This is my first recipe using Pacific Jade, so don't know a lot about it. Nelson has a different flavor and from what I have seen there isn't a real alternate, but I love me some citra and Amarillo. I bet it ends up being great.

I haven't calculated my cost to brew this, but can't imagine it was over $35, probably less. I did drop $6 on the Belgian candy sugar, need to make my own next time. Did you pay a premium for hops? Grains? $60 seems pretty high. Still way cheaper than $8 a bomber if it comes out good though.

$2 worth of Zeus Hops
$5 worth of Amarillo Hops
$8 worth of Citra Hops
all from Freshops.com

Grains and sugar cost ~ $25

2 vials of WLP001 plus dme for starter = $14

Whirlfloc tablet, 5.2 mash stabilizer, yeast nutrient ~ $1

not including water, propane, and heating costs of running in and outside all afternoon leaving the door open alot the total comes to:

$55 for 6.5 gallons of 1.095 wort, we will see how many bottles that turns out to but if i end up getting 5.5 gallons out of it thats 32 - 22 oz bomber bottles and last time I checked you have to give $8.99 a bottle plus tax if you are lucky enough to find it.

Mine is going to be $1.71 per bomber.

I'm sitting next to my fermentors and they smell amazing, if anyone can tell me where to get 2 oz of nelson sauvin and an ounce of pacific jade I will buy those and toss in for dry hop....