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**passedpawn** · 10-03-2010, 09:24 PM

you might try next time without pumpkin, just to see.

Jewrican · 10-03-2010, 09:32 PM

I am almost positive that ST puts it in the last 10 minutes of the boil

polkadotninja · 10-04-2010, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mrames

Has anyone used the cubed pumpkin and came out with a clearer result?

I roasted a 4lb pie pumpkin (cut in half, scooped out seeds, placed halves face down in roasting pan w about 1/4" of water in it, 350 for 1 or 1.5 hrs), scooped out the pulp, and put it in a small grain bag while boiling. It's in the primary now, and blew a little pumpkin sludge out the blow-off tube, but after 4 days there's not a ton of sediment at the bottom. However, the grain bag of pumpkin did shrink a little during the boil, so there's some pumpkin floating around in there, so who knows how clear the result will be.

To passedpawn's point, how much do the good pumpkin ales out there really taste like pumpkin anyway? What does pumpkin taste like ... does it have a taste or does it provide a good texture for pumpkin spices in pies?

Moody_Copperpot · 10-04-2010, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mrames

I can't recommend making this ST Imperial Pumking Ale the way I did using pumpkin from a can. I transfered from secondary into a second secondary today and in addition to the ale not being clear, there was over an inch of settled pumpkin in the bottom of the carboy. I racked off as much as I could without bringing in the sludge and probably lost another gallon of ale in addition to the gallon lost in primary. To net it out, the ale tastes good so far but canned pumpkin has resulted in a loss of two gallons of the batch. Since ST's Pumpking Ale is so incredibly clear, I am guessing ST either uses possibly cubed pumpkin or an extract? I can't see how even filtering would make it so clear as the pumpkin particles are so fine. Has anyone used the cubed pumpkin and came out with a clearer result?

Nope, they use pumpkin puree. It's on the side of the bottle along with the other ingredients they use. They just have a much more advanced filtering system than any of us have access to. They bake the puree, just like most of us have tried doing here, it's just that they have the ability to do things to clear their beer up that we as homebrewers simply don't have, without suffering a loss of wort.

wedge421 · 10-05-2010, 02:23 AM

I just want to know how the hell they get the pie crust flavor in there!! I have had a tone of different pumpkin beers and none of them have that character but this one!! I seriously considered mashing with pie crust to try to get it but i was afraid of the butter haha

kanzimonson · 10-05-2010, 02:57 AM

Why is nobody talking about the diacetyl in this beer? This beer has the most diacetyl I've EVER tasted... it almost makes me want to vomit in its butter-gourdy-melony glory. I really can't believe they can get away with it, but a pumpkin ale sure is the place to do it.

I really think you have to deliberately cultivate diacetyl to form in this beer. Maybe rack off and crash cool before the yeast clean it up?

DavidSteel · 10-05-2010, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by wedge421

I just want to know how the hell they get the pie crust flavor in there!! I have had a tone of different pumpkin beers and none of them have that character but this one!! I seriously considered mashing with pie crust to try to get it but i was afraid of the butter haha

Maybe they finely mill the malt more than they usually would and it gives it more of a distinct taste? Maybe not.. It happened in my centennial blond; then again, it was more of a barely taste and not pie crust lol.

Moody_Copperpot · 10-05-2010, 11:19 AM

It think that taste you're referring to is the vanilla coupled with the malts, personally. Most pumpkin beers just throw cinnamon in there and call it a day. This beer is made with baked pumpkin, which is seasoned.
I gave mine a little taste from the secondary last night. It was good! Not bad for a first attempt, it wasn't an ST clone, but it was good...the only thing was I got a hint of banana flavor...stupid esthers! Guess I'll need to switch the yeast up next time.

Moody_Copperpot · 10-06-2010, 12:08 AM

I have a question. There is an all grain on here calling for a total of 18 lbs of grain total including malts and all. There is an extract calling for only 13 lbs total. I realize you need more malt to acheive what the extract gives you. My question is can I do EuBrew's recipe and cut down the amount of grain/malt at all, and still get something good?
I ask because I am restrained in my equipment currently. I'm using that Deathbrewer all grain method with the bag, and I had a hell of a time fitting 18lbs of grains in a five gallon pot, in fact, they were never fully submerged. I plan on upgrading to a larger pot soon, but in the mean time I'm curious about what would happen if I cut a pound or three of that stuff. Juuust curious.

**suprchunk** · 10-08-2010, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kanzimonson

Why is nobody talking about the diacetyl

I don't mention it, because I don't get it in my sample. You sure you know what it tastes like?