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Old 07-19-2012, 02:25 AM   #1
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Default Southern English Brown - Help! This little hops?

I have 2 oz. of Kent Goldings so I thought how about an English Brown? Never done one. It's a 2.5 gallon batch (3.25 gal. boil) and the hops amount just seems so low but I guess it works out in Brewtarget. Can someone take a look? I have two hops additions. Would a single 60 or 45 minute addition be appropriate? I want to make sure the backbone is pretty malty but bitter enough.


Questhaven Brown Ale - Southern English Brown
================================================== ==============================
Batch Size: 2.500 gal
Boil Size: 3.250 gal
Boil Time: 60.000 min
Efficiency: 84%%
OG: 1.045
FG: 1.013
ABV: 4.2%%
Bitterness: 20.0 IBUs (Tinseth)
Color: 23 SRM (Morey)

Fermentables
================================================== ==============================
Name Type Amount Mashed Late Yield Color
Pale Malt (2 Row) UK Grain 2.500 lb Yes No 78%% 3 L
Brown Sugar, Light Sugar 6.000 oz No No 100%% 8 L
Caramel/Crystal Malt - 80L Grain 6.000 oz Yes No 74%% 80 L
Caramel/Crystal Malt - 120L Grain 3.000 oz Yes No 72%% 120 L
Chocolate Malt (UK) Grain 2.500 oz Yes No 73%% 450 L
Total grain: 3.594 lb

Hops
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Name Alpha Amount Use Time Form IBU
Kent Goldings 6.1%% 0.250 oz Boil 60.000 min Pellet 11.3
Kent Goldings 6.1%% 0.250 oz Boil 30.000 min Pellet 8.7

Yeast
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Name Type Form Amount Stage
WLP023 - Burton Ale Yeast Ale Liquid 2.367 tbsp Primary

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Old 07-19-2012, 02:57 AM   #2
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20 IBU is near the high end for that style.

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Old 07-19-2012, 03:29 AM   #3
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What do you think of 10 grams (.353 oz) for 60 minutes. IBU=16. My scale only measured oz in 1/4 increments so I got wise and entered it in grams as that's in 1/5 increments. That way I can weigh "in between."

I think Brown Sugar is true to SEB's as well.

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the low end for that style is 10 IBU so you would be good there. save the rest for aroma.

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Yeah SEB doesn't call for too much bitterness, it's supposed to taste a bit rich and sweet due to the lower attenuating English yeast strain used and lack of hop bitterness (12 - 20 is the IBU range). Personally, I'd go with one 60 minute addition of Kent Goldings, whatever gets you to around 20 IBU.

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Drop the brown sugar. It is not traditional and will push the FG down and dry the beer out. This is one style where a high-ish final gravity is a good thing. If you're intent on using a sugar, British invert sugar (no.2 or 3) would be your best choice.

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Drop the brown sugar. It is not traditional and will push the FG down and dry the beer out. This is one style where a high-ish final gravity is a good thing. If you're intent on using a sugar, British invert sugar (no.2 or 3) would be your best choice.
i 2nd.. this brown is supposed to have some malt sweetness when finished, and you don't need to add it just for alcohol content either
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How's this look? Removed brown sugar and went with a single 60 minute hop schedule. BTW it's such a small grain bill I'm not sure how to mash this for equal runnings. Newb. Should I divide it into 3 parts instead of two? Infuse, sparge anothe 1/3, sparge another 1/3? Or just mash at an appropriate qt/lb then sparge off what i need? Also, should I reduce down a cup or 2 for color and caramelization?


Questhaven Brown Ale - Southern English Brown
================================================== ==============================
Batch Size: 2.500 gal
Boil Size: 3.250 gal
Boil Time: 60.000 min
Efficiency: 84%%
OG: 1.043
FG: 1.013
ABV: 4.0%%
Bitterness: 16.3 IBUs (Tinseth)
Color: 23 SRM (Morey)

Fermentables
================================================== ==============================
Name Type Amount Mashed Late Yield Color
Pale Malt (2 Row) UK Grain 2.900 lb Yes No 78%% 3 L
Caramel/Crystal Malt - 80L Grain 6.000 oz Yes No 74%% 80 L
Caramel/Crystal Malt - 120L Grain 3.000 oz Yes No 72%% 120 L
Chocolate Malt (UK) Grain 2.500 oz Yes No 73%% 450 L
Total grain: 3.619 lb

Hops
================================================== ==============================
Name Alpha Amount Use Time Form IBU
Kent Goldings 6.1%% 0.353 oz Boil 60.000 min Pellet 16.3

Yeast
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Name Type Form Amount Stage
WLP013 - London Ale Yeast Ale Liquid 2.367 tbsp Primary

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How's this look? Removed brown sugar and went with a single 60 minute hop schedule. BTW it's such a small grain bill I'm not sure how to mash this for equal runnings. Newb. Should I divide it into 3 parts instead of two? Infuse, sparge anothe 1/3, sparge another 1/3? Or just mash at an appropriate qt/lb then sparge off what i need? Also, should I reduce down a cup or 2 for color and caramelization?
Looks pretty good! I'd probably give it a few more IBUs (closer to 20) but you're so close that I wouldn't worry about it. I wouldn't do any kettle caramelization- it'll be sweet enough. You don't want it to be cloying, or too sweet.

For the mash, I'd just mash as usual (say, 1.5 quarts of water/pound of grain) and then sparge to my boil volume.

I'd use the entire vial of yeast in this batch- it'll be about right.
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Thanks on the tip. I emailed White Labs about small batches and that was their recommendation as well. I'll still have about 1.7 oz of EKG hops left. Maybe I'll tweak my stout or do something else.

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