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Old 11-20-2012, 02:37 PM   #11
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Yeah, I was really confused when I saw that. No flavor or aroma hops besides the dry hops either. I have a feeling that maybe he wasn't telling me everything.
Nah, I bet that's their recipe...I doubt he would mislead or withhold info.

Large-volume brewing is somewhat different so it won't scale perfectly. We'd have to adjust the bittering additions to hit the target IBUs.

And a 5oz dry hop will give you plenty of hop character.

I'll have to try this beer again now that I see the recipe. Thanks for posting this, gives me something to think about!
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:12 PM   #12
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Wow, that's way more than they gave me. I can't say I have much interest in doing a 2 hour boil, though. I might take the grain bill and play around with the hops for a one hour boil & see what I come up with.

5.5 oz for dry hopping!

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Old 11-20-2012, 04:58 PM   #13
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Yeah, I bet you could get really close that way:

Same grain bill.
Simcoe & Columbus at same relative proportions at 60 and 30 to hit 60 IBU
Match dry hop.

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Old 11-20-2012, 08:22 PM   #14
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They told me "heavy on the finishing and dry hops" which tells me there's probably a flameout addition as well.

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Old 11-30-2012, 12:56 PM   #15
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He said they do a 2 hour boil for Pako's.
Here's the hop schedule:
.48 oz. Columbus - 2 hours
.58 oz. Simcoe - 2 hours
.21 oz. Columbus - 1 hour 45 min.
.25 oz. Simcoe - 1 hour 45 min.
.375 oz. Columbus - 30 min.
So I've been thinking about this hop schedule and trying to figure out how they get the flavor and aroma they do from frontloading it like this. Then it dawned on me, they must start their timer at 0 at the beginning of the boil. So the .375oz of Columbus goes in at 30 minutes into the boil, then you have 15 min & flameout additions. This makes a lot more sense as I wouldn't think they'd bother with using both hops for the bittering addition AND one of the brewers told me that they go heavy on the finishing hops. Make sense to everyone else?
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:05 PM   #16
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So I've been thinking about this hop schedule and trying to figure out how they get the flavor and aroma they do from frontloading it like this. Then it dawned on me, they must start their timer at 0 at the beginning of the boil. So the .375oz of Columbus goes in at 30 minutes into the boil, then you have 15 min & flameout additions. This makes a lot more sense as I wouldn't think they'd bother with using both hops for the bittering addition AND one of the brewers told me that they go heavy on the finishing hops. Make sense to everyone else?
Now that you say that, yes, it does make sense.
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It's been bothering me since you posted that recipe.

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I'm also only getting 30ish IBUs in Brewpal from those amounts so they need to be increased. I have a feeling he scaled the batch linearly (is that a word?) and since they do a much larger boil and thus get higher utilization, their hop to volume ratio is lower. <---At least that's my theory, could be he just divided wrong.

Once I get it together, I'll post a revised recipe both here and in my other thread that I linked to earlier.

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Okay, so here is the recipe I'm planning to use:

6 gallon batch, my pre-boil volume is about 7.5 gallons.

Also, this is for a 1 hour boil, not 2.

12.25# 2 Row 92%
12oz Light Munich 5.6%
5oz Caramunich 2.3%

Mash @ 149* for 1 hour, my standard mash thickness is 1.33qts/lb.

(In the recipe that MrNic got from the brewery, the percentages were 92.5%, 5.5%, & 2%. Note that I'm doing a 6 gallon batch and only a 1 hour boil, so I've got quite a bit more grain in my recipe.)

Hops:
.75 oz Columbus 15.2% - 60 min
1 oz Columbus 15.2% - 15
1 oz Simcoe 13% - 15
1 oz Columbus - flameout
1 oz Simcoe - flameout

2.75 oz each Simcoe & Columbus for dry hop

This gives me 67 IBUs, and I just rounded the 15 minute & flameout additions to 1 oz for ease of use, obviously.

OG should come out to 1.065. Brewpal gives me an FG of 1.014 and ABV of 6.7% using US-05.

I probably won't get around to brewing this until January, I'll try to remember to update with results.

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I added this recipe in brewers friend and the ibus calculated to 19, that's no where close to 60. What did i do wrong?

Was thinking of bumping up the flame out hops to .75 oz and 15 minute hops to .5 oz, thoughts on that?

Here's the recipe i entered into that site

http://www.brewersfriend.com/homebre...335/pako-s-ipa

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