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Old 05-28-2010, 06:07 AM   #1
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Default Sixpoint Sweet Action Clone?

Anyone familiar with this beer? I used to drink it when I lived in Brooklyn, but I haven't been able to find anything like it since I moved away. I want to try to make it for my first all-grain batch.

I've done a little bit of research (mostly on these forums) and come up with this recipe after fiddling around with Beersmith. Keep in mind that I don't really know what I'm doing, so if any of this doesn't make sense, let me know. And if anyone has tried to clone Sweet Action and gotten close, I'd love to hear about it.

(5 gallon batch)
9 lb Maris Otter
1 lb Gambrinus Honey Malt
1/2 lb Flaked Barley
1/2 lb Cara 20L
1/4 lb Cara 45L
1/4 lb Cara 55L
3/4 oz Horizon (60 min)
1/2 oz Glacier (10 min)
1/2 oz Glacier (FO)

Mash at 154F.

Yeast is WL007 (Dry English Ale)

According to my research, these are all the correct ingredients. (The Cara malts should actually be 25L, 45L, and 60L, but the place I'm buying from doesn't have those exact malts. There may also be some Simcoe hops, but I'm not sure what they would be used for.) I just don't know if the proportions are right.

Beersmith say 1.069 OG (I read somewhere that it should be 1.067), 31.7 IBUs (should be 31-33), 10.7 SRM. The color seems slightly dark, at least in the little sample area on the Beersmith screen. Also, I think the ABV may be a little higher than the original, but that makes it even better, as far as I'm concerned. Anyone have any ideas/suggestions?

PS This forum is an amazing resource.

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Old 05-28-2010, 10:57 AM   #2
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I had it on tap near here a few times. 1.067 seems high IMO

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Old 07-03-2011, 06:17 PM   #3
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Utopeya, I was curious how this came out for you. Did you think it was close or not?

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Old 07-03-2011, 08:09 PM   #4
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It was pretty good, but not Sweet Action. I talked to the brewers a little bit at one point, and they gave me some hints. First of all, there's a big Simcoe addition at the end of the boil. (I'm guessing the Glacier goes in at 10 or 15 minutes.)

The malt bill's also more complex than this recipe. I was told there are around seven different malts in Sweet Action, including (if I remember correctly) a few different base malts. My current recipe, which is in the fermenter right now, has 4 lbs of MO, 3 lbs of pilsner, and 3 lbs of wheat malt, along with the honey, crystal, and flaked barley.

I also read somewhere that there may be some Vienna in there, but I didn't add that.

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Old 07-03-2011, 09:20 PM   #5
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let me know how that works, I'm gonna give it a go. how was the coloring with the 3 crystal malts?

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Old 07-07-2011, 02:52 AM   #6
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It was a little darker than I expected, but then when I went back to Brooklyn, Sweet Action was a little darker than I remembered. Still, I've gone down to 1/4 lb of each.

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Old 07-13-2011, 12:09 AM   #7
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After doing some chasing down, I've settled on this for a recipe. The IBU's and the SRM are dead on. Any thoughts? Do you think the "massive hit of Simcoe" is ok as a flame out addition?

Type: All Grain
Batch Size: 5.00 gal
Boil Size: 6.41 gal
Boil Time: 60 min Equipment: Brew Pot (7.5 gal) and Cooler (48 qt)
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00

Ingredients

4.00 lb Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 38.10 %
2.00 lb White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM) Grain 19.05 %
1.75 lb Pilsner (2 Row) Ger (2.0 SRM) Grain 16.67 %
0.75 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 7.14 %
0.50 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L (20.0 SRM) Grain 4.76 %
0.50 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 4.76 %
0.50 lb Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 4.76 %
0.25 lb Caraamber (30.0 SRM) Grain 2.38 %
0.25 lb Carafoam (2.0 SRM) Grain 2.38 %
0.50 oz Horizon [12.00 %] (60 min) Hops 21.3 IBU
0.50 oz Glacier [5.60 %] (30 min) Hops 7.6 IBU
0.25 oz Horizon [12.00 %] (15 min) Hops 5.3 IBU
0.25 oz Glacier [5.60 %] (5 min) Hops 1.0 IBU
2.00 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] (0 min) Hops -
1 Pkgs Dry English Ale (White Labs #WLP007) Yeast-Ale

Est Original Gravity: 1.055 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.013 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5.42 %
Bitterness: 35.2 IBU
Est Color: 12.0 SRM

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Old 07-13-2011, 12:43 AM   #8
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Looks pretty good, although for some reason I'm still committed to the idea that there's honey malt in this thing. I think FO is a good place for the Simcoe--I split mine into a 5 min addition and a FO addition (though I have no idea whether that was wise). Also, I've been operating under the assumption that Horizon is just used for bittering.

Let me know how yours turns out--mine won't be ready for several weeks, plus I don't live in NY anymore and won't be able to do a comparison.

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Old 08-13-2011, 10:11 PM   #9
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UPDATE: Well, I don't know whether my version is Sweet Action, but it's delicious. I think it's going to be my house ale.

I'm going down to NYC in a couple of days--I'll try to do a comparison. Here's my recipe, for reference:

Batch Size: 6.0 gal
Boil Size: 7.5 gal
Boil Time: 60 min
Brewhouse Efficiency: 71.00

4.0 lb Crisp Maris Otter
3.0 lb Weyermann Pale Wheat
3.0 lb Weyermann Pilsner
1.0 lb Gambrinus Honey Malt
0.5 lb Briess Flaked Barley
.25 lb Crisp Crystal Malt 15L
.25 lb Crisp Crystal Malt 45L
.25 lb Crisp Crystal Malt 60L

.75 oz Magnum (13.6%) @ 60 min (I didn't have access to Horizon.)
0.5 oz Glacier (4.5%) @ 10 min
0.5 oz Simcoe (12.4%) @ 5 min
.75 oz Simcoe (12.4%) @ FO

WLP007 - Dry English Ale Yeast

Mash @ 154F for 60 min
Ferment @ 64F (I raised the temp to 66F after about a week.)

Est. OG 1.055
Est. FG 1.012
Est. ABV 5.7%
Est. IBU 34.7 (Tinseth)
Est. SRM 8.8

Edit: osmodeus, I think the flaked barley in my version here is basically doing the job that the Carafoam is doing in your version. Also, can I ask why you are using Caraamber? I didn't see it mentioned anywhere. I probably should add some Vienna to my recipe, but I'm reluctant to make changes since I'm really happy with it as is.

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Old 08-14-2011, 01:30 PM   #10
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Thanks guys,
Six point sells sweet action in cans and I can't wait to do a side by side with
Utopeya's recipe.

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