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Kaiser · 01-28-2006, 05:27 AM

Today, after 4 weeks and 4 days of brewing I did the first comparison sampling of this SNPA clone:

partial mash:
1lb Carmel 20
1lb Pale 2row
0.5lb Dextrine
@67C for 45min

boil:
3lb light Dry Malt Extract
3.3lb light LME
1oz Perle 9% 60min
1oz Cascade 4.6% 15min
0.75oz Cascade (whole in bag) 0min

fermentation:
WYeast 1056
0.75oz Cascade dry-hop

color: mine came out much darker. I knew this from BeerSmith. But I was using Carmel 20 instead of the Carmel 40 suggested by the recipe printed in BYO. Next time I have to try it as AG since I will have a better control over the color this way.

aroma: mine didn't have any significant hop aroma even though I dry-hopped it for 11 days with 3/4oz Cascade in the secondary. I placed the hops on top if the beer. SN doesn't mention any dry-hopping for their PA.

taste: there is this flower-like hop taste in SNPA, that was missing in my beer completely. This is to me the identifying character of SNPA and I definitely would like to know how to get it. They say that they use Cascade as finishing hops, so did I

.

bitterness: mine seems to have a harsher and more lingering bitterness than the SNPA. Getting the IBUs right seems to be difficult anyway since there are so many factors that we don't account for when calculating bitterness. I also didn't have the Magnum, so I was using only Perle.

misc: there seems to be some astringency in my brew that may have been due to over sparging. I will be watching this from now on more closely.

conclusion: I hit the target of an APA

, but I definitely didn't come very close to SNPA

. Though time will improve the flavor a bit, I don't expect it to do wonders for me. I know what to change for everything but the unique floral flavor of SNPA. Is this just Cascade used as flavoring hops??

Any thoughts?

**Dude** · 01-28-2006, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kai

bitterness: mine seems to have a harsher and more lingering bitterness than the SNPA. Getting the IBUs right seems to be difficult anyway since there are so many factors that we don't account for when calculating bitterness. I also didn't have the Magnum, so I was using only Perle.

misc: there seems to be some astringency in my brew that may have been due to over sparging. I will be watching this from now on more closely.

I think both of these problems could be related to one thing. Perle hops. My LWPA had the exact same astringency and harsh bitterness that overwhelmed what could have been a good beer.

Its funny, almost your whole post was like a re-run of what I thought about my LWPA after I tried it.

At any rate, I'm convinced it is the Perle. A brewer friend whom's opinion I trust immensely told me to not use Perle next time, so I bittered my last LWPA batch with Amarillo and that harshness was gone.

Tony · 01-28-2006, 06:25 AM

Mine is in the secondary clearing. My gravity is hit, and within a few days, it will be on tap. So far so good.

Kaiser · 01-28-2006, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dude

At any rate, I'm convinced it is the Perle. A brewer friend whom's opinion I trust immensely told me to not use Perle next time, so I bittered my last LWPA batch with Amarillo and that harshness was gone.

Thanks, this will hopefully fix the bitterness.

The only thing missing would the the floral hop taste. I will try to make hop teas, with different boil times, with the cascade that I have left over. But since I wasn't able o detect this unique taste at all in my brew. If it weren't for the SN webpage, I'd say they are using different hops.

Tony,

let us know how yours compares to the original.

Kai

DeRoux's Broux · 01-28-2006, 03:10 PM

i used northern brewer and perle for bittering, then cascade for everything else. it was pretty damn close to SNPA.

Tony · 02-04-2006, 03:24 AM

I let mine stay in the secondary a while, and just racked it to the keg tonight. Crystal frigging clear!!! I pulled a small glass while racking, and YES! Its the real thing! Nice amber color, good malt flavor, and just the right hop flavor.

Two row and Caramel 40L is the way to go. I cant wait for this one to carbonate!

cgravier · 02-06-2006, 09:09 PM

3 lbs. d.m.e. lbs. 2-row
5 lbs. 2-row
1/2 lb. crysatl 20
1/2 lb. cara-pils

mash 133, 30 min. 152 60 min.158 1o min.

2 oz. cascade (60 min.) pellets
1/2 oz. cascaed (30 min.) pellets
1/2 oz. cascade (15 min.) pellets
1 oz cascade (0 min.) plugs (broken up by hand before putting in boiler, cover immediatelty)

california ale yeast 1.5 qt. starter
1 tsp. irish moss
primary 68f 1 week
secondary 66f 2 weeks
bottle d.m.e. + 1/c turbinado sugar

o.g. 1.052
i.b.u. 35

djmd · 02-06-2006, 11:25 PM

I just racked my all-grain SNPA clone from the northern brewer forum into secondary. It really is spectacular. 87.5% 2-row, 12.5% 60L. Gotta use some magnum bittering hops to get the real effect!

Tony · 02-07-2006, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by djmd

...Gotta use some magnum bittering hops to get the real effect!

You got that right! Any day now for mine to be carbonated and ready to drink! This recipe will be one I brew over and over.

Exo · 07-29-2006, 10:04 PM

Well, this is an old post, but I'll give it a bump.

The author of the online recipe for SNPA is Greg Snapp, who happens to be the owner of my LHBS.

Here it is, direct from Greg,

1/2# Crystal 30L
1/2# Carapils

Drop the grains into pot at room temp. Bring to 150deg. and hold for 20min. Then bring to 170deg. and remove the grains. Liberal "dunking" throughout the process.

Remove from heat and add/stir:

6# Light LME

Bring to boil. 60min boil time.

Hop Schedule:
1oz Perle at 50min remaining
1oz Cascade at 15min remaining
1oz Cascade at flame-out, steeped for 3min

Pitch Wyeast 1056.

Rack to secondary and dry-hop with:
1oz Cascade

Primary was 7 days. Secondary was 18 days. FG was: 1.006.

After 5 days in-bottle I couldn't stand it and had to pop one open. Most definitely young, however it tasted wonderful and had a great color. I'll know in a few weeks how "close" it is.

EDIT: I don't know how "close" it is, but it sure is tasty! A somewhat dry beer with citrus aroma and tastes. Aftertaste is somewhat citrusy...and lengthy. My next brew of this I will attempt to remove those lengthy after-tastes....it's not the recipe...it was the methods.