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Old 12-08-2012, 04:14 PM   #1
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Has anyone tried to clone White Christmas? The SA website lists a number of ingredients, but I think they may be holding back on a few. The beer seems to essentially be a witbier, with less orange and more spice than I would typically use. SA's site only mentions cinnamon and nutmeg, although I think I may taste something else in the beer but can't put my finger on it? Also, the site doesn't mention oats, but isn't that a pretty common ingredient for a wit?

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Old 12-08-2012, 05:46 PM   #2
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I just tasted that beer last night. I didnt really notice orange. Heavy on the cinnamon and nutmeg though. I think it was maybe a citrus hop added for your perceived orange flavor. Id use a pilsen malt as the base some wheat and a small amount of a light lovibond crystal malt.

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Old 12-08-2012, 06:12 PM   #3
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I didn't get much orange either, but the webite says they use orange peel. I was thinking 1/2 ounce of dried orange peel would be noticable but subtle, what do you think? Also, I like the crystal idea, though I have never used it in a wit. How much would you use (I was thinking Crystal 15)? If it matters, I am shooting for an OG of 1.058, again, per the SA site.

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Well I think as much as a beer calculator will allow without turning the color too much. Maybe a half pound maybe a quarter. I had to drink this out of the bottle so im going strictly off what I perceived on flavor

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Old 12-09-2012, 01:20 AM   #5
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Well I think as much as a beer calculator will allow without turning the color too much. Maybe a half pound maybe a quarter. I had to drink this out of the bottle so im going strictly off what I perceived on flavor
Thanks, I think I'll go with a half pound of Crystal 15 and see what happens. Thanks for the suggestion.
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FWIW, I brewed this yesterday. I decided to go with 8 oz. of Crystal 15 and 12 oz. of oats. Base malts were white wheat, pilsner and 2-row. Color based on the hydro sample was spot on when compared to the real thing.

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I saw from the SA website that spalt spalter hops were used, are these the hops you used or did you go with another type? Also what type of yeast did you go with ?

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I used Spalter Select, which was the closest I could find.

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I also saw on the SA webiste , this beer having an orange flavor. Could this be from the hops or adding a sweet orange peel to the boil? To keep the ibu around 6 which I found on the SA website I am looking at using 1/2 oz for 60 min in boil and 1/2 oz at flame out, is this the same type of hop schedule you are using? Kind of flying blind here myself and looking to gather all thoughts on this before I get to brewing.

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I also saw on the SA webiste , this beer having an orange flavor. Could this be from the hops or adding a sweet orange peel to the boil? To keep the ibu around 6 which I found on the SA website I am looking at using 1/2 oz for 60 min in boil and 1/2 oz at flame out, is this the same type of hop schedule you are using? Kind of flying blind here myself and looking to gather all thoughts on this before I get to brewing.
I added .5 oz. of sweet orange peel @ 10 min. My hops were 4.4 AA, so I added .75 oz. @ 60 min. I did not add any flavor or aroma hop additions, as I wanted the orange peel, nutmeg and cinnamon to shine and not compete with the hops.
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