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Old 03-06-2013, 10:55 PM   #1
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It's time to brew a Saison! The non-snowstorm that is now leaving DC has me thinking of warmer months and I just concocted this saison recipe. Any feedback is appreciated.

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OG: 1.055
FG: 1.009
SRM: 6.4
IBU: 30.9
ABV: 6.0%
BU:GU .556

Saison du ete dore
5.5 lb Belgian Pils
1.0 lb Vienna
.5 lb Wheat malt
.2 lb crystal 80 (for color)

.4 oz Sorachi Ace @ 60
.25 oz Saaz @ 15
.25 oz Saaz @ 5

Pitch Wyeast 3711 at 70deg

I'm not sure how high I can get the temperature, but I'd try to get it as high as possible.

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With 3711 I'd expect your beer to finish at 1.005 or below.

What's your reasoning on Sorachi for the 60 minute and Saaz for the late?

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I'd always wanted to try it, and I think the lemony character would go nicely with a Saison. The saaz because it's a traditional saison hop and finishes nicely with 3711. After doing some more reading, I may dry-hop with the sorachi ace and move it to later additions.

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I'd always wanted to try it, and I think the lemony character would go nicely with a Saison. The saaz because it's a traditional saison hop and finishes nicely with 3711. After doing some more reading, I may dry-hop with the sorachi ace and move it to later additions.
That sounds like a good plan, sorry for not making a more constructive comment earlier.
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Sorachi Ace and 3711. play well. together.

Some late additions will work great.

I ahve done several Saions with Sorachi Ace. Very tasty.

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+1 on 3711's monstrous appetite. I'd mash higher than normal for a saison with that yeast. I did a session version (1.038) and mashed at 156 and it still dried out.

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Looks good. I like to add some sugar to my Saisons to dry it out. But as mentioned above 3711 should get you a dry finish. I have a similar recipe with all Sorachi Ace in the plans.

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+1 on 3711's monstrous appetite. I'd mash higher than normal for a saison with that yeast. I did a session version (1.038) and mashed at 156 and it still dried out.
I was thinking of mashing a bit lower, maybe 149-150. Would the residual sweetness with the higher temperatures really come through? Would it be better to give it more fermentable sugars at a lower temperature and make it work for the dryness?
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Nothing with 3711 will be cloying. If you want any amount of maltiness, I'd mash a little higher. Mashing lower =dryness. mashing higher=more dextrines for body and mouthfeel. try 152 with this yeast, unless you want it really dry. It took a BDSA mashed at 153 from 1098 to 1005 for me (with 8% sugar).

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Update:

Since I'm headed to the LHBS on Saturday morning, I wanted to get some last minute feedback on an updated grain bill. Based upon your suggestions and more research, I've modified the grain bill.

5.25 lb Belgian Pils
1.25 lb Munich
.5 lb wheat malt

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