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Old 04-15-2009, 04:18 AM   #1
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In my short time I've only brewed with Nottingham. The reason for this is because it was what was called for in my first two recipes and then the last couple of batches it is what my LHBS carries.

Looking through these pages I see a lot of folks use Safale-05, especially for Pale Ales and IPAs, which is mostly what i brew. Now i've ordered some S-05 online.

I'm just wondering what the difference between the two will be? Like, if i brew a pretty standard AIPA recipe would the beer be noticeable different if I used S-05 instead of Notty?

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Old 04-15-2009, 04:24 AM   #2
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Yes, the safe ale is american ale yeast, nottingham is english ale yeast and will have more english type esters. Safe ale 05 will be more clean fermentation, and I would suspect would ferment a little dryer also.

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Is 05 the pink package? I think it is. I seem to like it better at times than notty. My Ipa i made a ten gallon batch-did 5and5 notty and safale and the pink stuff seemed to finish a little cleaner. They are both great dry yeast in my opinion. you could always try innoculating 2.5 gal each splitting the yeast in half and trying both. PEPSI CHALLENGE BRO!(assuming you do 5 gal batches)

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In my short time I've only brewed with Nottingham. The reason for this is because it was what was called for in my first two recipes and then the last couple of batches it is what my LHBS carries.

Looking through these pages I see a lot of folks use Safale-05, especially for Pale Ales and IPAs, which is mostly what i brew. Now i've ordered some S-05 online.

I'm just wondering what the difference between the two will be? Like, if i brew a pretty standard AIPA recipe would the beer be noticeable different if I used S-05 instead of Notty?
Yes, it would. Though notty's pretty dry for an English yeast. But for an AIPA, S-05 would be better; for a traditional IPA or a modern wimpy British IPA, S04 or notty or Wyeast 1028 or another British yeast would be better, depending on what flavor you're going for.

The yeast you use and the temperature that you ferment at can potentially impact your beer's flavor just as much as the grains or hops you choose.
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Old 04-15-2009, 04:28 AM   #5
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Yes, the safe ale is american ale yeast, nottingham is english ale yeast and will have more english type esters. Safe ale 05 will be more clean fermentation, and I would suspect would ferment a little dryer also.
the way i understand it English type esters are kind of fruity?

Also I've seen the term 'clean fermentation' a few times but don't quite understand it. In the end, does it make the beer taste or look different?
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clean fermentation... let me try my hand at this. Have you ever had a hef that tasted real strong of banana, clove etc? well that would be a example not so much clean fermentation. Where as a pyramid hef is cleaner. Clean to me means free of any strong "off" flavors. Maybe also "mainstream" likes a clean fermentation. Feel free to correct me HBT nuts!!!

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I brewed a few batches with Notty before it became hard to find last year - switched to Safale US-05 and have been very happy with the results. Not a very big difference, but I've mostly stayed with the 05 even though Notty is plentiful again.

Clean pretty much means that the yeast is not contributing much flavor at all to the beer - Notty is pretty clean too but US-05 fermented in the low to mid 60s is about as clean and neutral as it gets IMO. Great for lighter American styles where you want to taste only the malt and hops themselves.

Not all yeast flavors are "off" flavors...in fact most strains of yeast are cultured to produce certain esters for certain styles. In isac777's hefeweizen example, those banana and clove flavors are very desirable if you're following the German style (which I much prefer over the rather plain tasting American hefeweizen). But in general, Americans tend to prefer the cleaner, more neutral taste.

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Though notty is English, it won't have those typical esters. For that try safale 04 or Windsor. Notty and 05 are basically interchangeable in my recipes. I need to account for notty's near 90% attenuation though. It finishes very dry. I get about 80% attenuation with 05. Flavor, to me, is basically the same.

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Yes, the safe ale is american ale yeast, nottingham is english ale yeast and will have more english type esters. Safe ale 05 will be more clean fermentation, and I would suspect would ferment a little dryer also.
In my testing with both Nottingham and 05, I have found the oppisite results. In seveal side by side tests, the Nottinham fermented drier each time. Additionally, despite being an "English" yeast, it is very neutral.
I feel very comfortable using Nottingham whenever a dry, neutral flavor is desired.
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In my short time I've only brewed with Nottingham. The reason for this is because it was what was called for in my first two recipes and then the last couple of batches it is what my LHBS carries.

Looking through these pages I see a lot of folks use Safale-05, especially for Pale Ales and IPAs, which is mostly what i brew. Now i've ordered some S-05 online.

I'm just wondering what the difference between the two will be? Like, if i brew a pretty standard AIPA recipe would the beer be noticeable different if I used S-05 instead of Notty?
The difference will be very little. If you are trying to make the beer drier, continue to use Nottinham. If you want to make an Imperial IPA, the Nottinham cannot be beat in it's ability to ferment big beers out nice and dry. Use the yeast calculator here to get proper pitching rates: Mr Malty Pitching Rate Calculator
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