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Old 03-21-2007, 04:05 AM   #1
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This weekend I'm making my first attempt at a Red Ale. Its my first attempt at something on the hoppy-bitter side of the spectrum and I was wondering what people thought of my hop choices. I'm trying to hop it more like a Pale Ale than an IPA.

Also I was wondering what everyone thought of the use of honey. I'm not sold on it.

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6.6 lb of Pale LME
1 lb of extra light DME
1 lb of light crystal malt
0.5 lb of Munich malt
0.5 lb of Carapils
0.25 lb of roasted barley
1 lb of honey (most likely clove or alfalfa)

1.5 oz Centennial Leaf (60 minutes) (assume 10.7%AA)
1.5 oz Centennial Leaf (30 minutes) (assume 10.7%AA)
1 oz Fuggles Leaf (2 minutes) (assume 4.4%AA)

British Whitbread Ale Yeast (Wyeast 1098)
Est. O.G. = 1.073
Est. HBU = 32
Est. IBU = 103

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Old 03-21-2007, 04:15 AM   #2
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I was going to suggest you cut the crystal to .5 lb, but then I saw the OG. It'll need it.

I don't know what you mean by "hop it like a pale"...it seems like a lot of hops to me.

As for the honey, you'll get absolutely no honey character in that beer with all of the bitterness--so if it is in there just to raise OG, you'd be just as well off using corn sugar.

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the honey will thin it out a touch and make it a bit dryer but what kicked me in the nutz was 103 IBUs?

high end for a Red is 28
for an American Pale ale is 45+
for an English Pale Ale (aka ESB) is 50+
for an IPA your looking at the high end being 60
Hell your even on the high end for an Imperial IPA 100+

IMHO throttel them hops back to about 40ish but keep the fuggels at the end for aroma

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The numbers are messed up once you get that high. Dude's Pliny was very drinkable at "281 IBUs." My Murder In The Red Barn (another hoppy red with a lot of Munich) is supposedly in the low-80s, but does't taste like it.

This will definately be a hoppy beer, but that's cool..

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If I'm not going to get any honey character out of it, I'm less likely to use it.

By "hop it like a pale ale" I mean that I'm trying for something middle of the range between malty and hoppy. I don't want to make it as bitter as an IPA. Most IPA's have more hop flavor than I enjoy.

Should I drop it down to 1.25 oz or 1 oz for the bittering hop additions? Or should I switch to something like Cascade that is more mild?

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do you want the hoppyness but not the bittness?

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If I'm not going to get any honey character out of it, I'm less likely to use it.

By "hop it like a pale ale" I mean that I'm trying for something middle of the range between malty and hoppy. I don't want to make it as bitter as an IPA. Most IPA's have more hop flavor than I enjoy.

Should I drop it down to 1.25 oz or 1 oz for the bittering hop additions?
If that's the case, shoot your target IBUs down to 35 - 40 or so. The late additions will give you the flavor, which may be competing with the malt. The recipe, as written, is much more of an IPA (albeit too dark, like mine) than anything else.
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look at Bullion (7AA) instead of the Centenial (10.5AA)
think about 1oz at 60 min then another 1oz at 20 minutes, thenthe fuggels at 4min like you had planned on. It will bring your IBU's down to about 41-42 and give you a nice hoppy flavor and aroma withouth the nutz in a vice bitterness . . . also gives ya all english hops since it's a Red base

oh and leave the honey out your already at the Reds high end for SG without it

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Keep the BU:GU ratio to around .7-.8 and it will be in the pale ale range. What you have now is a red IPA at 1.3, which is way too high--based on what you explained you wanted.

BTW, BU:GU ratio is like this... O.G. = 1.040, IBUs = 40, = 1:1 BU:GU

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at a gravity of 1.068 (no honey) and a IBU of 42 like I have it above thats what .6ish?

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