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Old 01-07-2006, 12:09 PM   #1
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Brewing up a SN Celebration Ale cloner tomorrow in honor of Jan 8th being my very first batch (last year).
I derived a recipe from the specs for SNCA on the Sierra Nevada site:

Celebration Ale

BJCP Style and Style Guidelines
14-B India Pale Ale, American IPA

Min OG: 1.056 Max OG: 1.075
Min IBU: 40 Max IBU: 72
Min Clr: 6 Max Clr: 15 Color in SRM, Lovibond


Recipe Specifics
Batch Size (Gal): 5.50 Wort Size (Gal): 5.50
Total Grain (Lbs): 13.50
Anticipated OG: 1.066 Plato: 16.12
Anticipated SRM: 11.9
Anticipated IBU: 62.0
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75 %
Wort Boil Time: 90 Minutes


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% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
88.8 12.00 lbs. Pale Malt(2-row) America 1.036 2
7.4 1.00 lbs. Crystal 90L America 1.033 90
3.8 0.50 lbs. Cara-Pils Dextrine Malt 1.033 2

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.

Hops
Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
1.00 oz. Chinook Whole 13.00 48.0 60 min
1.00 oz. Centennial Whole 10.50 7.8 10 min
1.00 oz. Cascade Whole 5.75 4.2 10 min
1.00 oz. Cascade Whole 5.75 0.0 Dry Hop
1.00 oz. Centennial Whole 10.50 0.0 Dry Hop
1.00 oz. Chinook Whole 13.00 0.0 Dry Hop

I have questions for you guys though....first, I want to get the right color, so I'm using crystal 90L. I would assume crystal 60 is the caramel malt they use, but I can't get the right color using that. Think 90L will affect the flavor too much? I don't want that raisiny flavor that I might get from using a pound of crystal 90L. Your thoughts?

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First off...I love SNCA!!!
I have been trying to find a clone recipe which follows the SN site, but there are too many debates and opinions on what to really use, and the two best recipes do not use the exact ingredient. I found two 5 gallon recipes that "supposedly" are the closest ones, and the one that almost fits the SN's guidleines was:

Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale

13# Klages 2-row
.75# 8L Crystal
.25# Carapils
1.5 oz. Chinook 60 min
0.5 oz. Chinook 30 min
1.5 oz. Cascade 5 min
0.5 oz. Cascade dryhop
0.5 oz. Centennial dryhop
Wyeast 1056

This one follows the 3 grains on the SN site, but only uses Cascade and Centennial for dry hopping.

There is another recipe from people who solemnly swear it is the real thing, but it doesnt use Dextrine:

12# Domestic 2 Row Malt
1# English Crystal Malt 45-50L
1 oz Chinook 60 min
0.25 oz Chinook 30 min
1 oz Cascade flameout
0.5 oz Cascade dry hop
0.5 oz Centennial dry hop
Wyeast 1056

Arrrgggg!!!!

Anyway, I calculated a recipe just about like yours ORRELSE, which I think fits the guidelines more and will be brewing it soon. It uses the 3 grains, as well as the 3 dry hops as well. Im using Caramel 80L, as I think 60L will be too light compared to actual SNCA, which has a very unique color.

Im thinking you can get away with using .75 of 80L and bump the 2 row up a little bit. Thats what Im going to try first, and will be brewing it this week. I can still get a couple sixers of SNCA, and will be stowing many bottles away to compare once Im done. I really want to hone this one, as I simply love the flavor, aroma and awesome color of this beer. Let me know what you decide, and I'll share everything I find out.

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First off...I love SNCA!!!
Me too. I hadn't ever had it before this year, and I bought up a bunch of it. Unfortunately it is now gone, but for 2-3 bottles which I am now going to save for comparison against mine later on.

I researched all kinds of clone recipes on all kinds of sites, and ended up just taking the numbers and ingredients straight from the SN site and working with that in Promash. The main questions I had were color (it looks really dark for only using something around 60L), and the hop additions.

HBA has a recipe kit for it and they bitter with Chinook @ 60 mins and then the next hop additions are at flameout. I think this is pretty accurate because the real SNCA really has that strong killer hop sting. I know part of that is the chinooks but it isn't a smooth bitterness by any means, IMHO.

As for the color issue, I'm going to ask my LHBS owner today when I pick up grains for it, but I think I will take your suggestion anyway and drop down the crystal a few ounces, and a few lovibonds as well. Like I said I don't want that raisiny flavor to come through. Crystal 90 is probably pushing that envelope.

I'd like to come to a consensus on this recipe if oyu are interested in brewing it--so we can compare against each other. If we do the same recipe we'd have a baseline for discussion on what we would do different next time.
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Okay, I was going down to my LHBS today to get a couple kegs, so I can also pick up a grain bill...

So far, we've agree on:

12 lbs - 2 Row
.50 lbs - Dextrine

And I can agree on:
1.00 oz. Chinook - 60 min
1.00 oz. Centennial -10 min
1.00 oz. Cascade -10 min
1.00 oz. Cascade - Dry Hop
1.00 oz. Centennial - Dry Hop
1.00 oz. Chinook - Dry Hop

So, what do you want to use for Caramel/Crystal?
Aso, WLP001 or Wyeast 1056?

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Okay, I was going down to my LHBS today to get a couple kegs, so I can also pick up a grain bill...

So far, we've agree on:

12 lbs - 2 Row
.50 lbs - Dextrine

And I can agree on:
1.00 oz. Chinook - 60 min
1.00 oz. Centennial -10 min
1.00 oz. Cascade -10 min
1.00 oz. Cascade - Dry Hop
1.00 oz. Centennial - Dry Hop
1.00 oz. Chinook - Dry Hop

So, what do you want to use for Caramel/Crystal?
Aso, WLP001 or Wyeast 1056?
Tony, I'm cool with your suggestion of .75 crystal 80L....let's go with that. I'm just hoping my HBS has it...

I'm gonna use safale-56, but I don't think there is any difference whatsoever in 1056, wlp001 or safale-56, so that is safe. If you want to go EXACT--my HBS only stocks WL001, so I can pick up a vial of that today too. Doesn't matter to me!
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Okay, .75lbs of 80L it is. I believe my LHBS has it, if not, looks like I will have to order it. Hopefully they will, as I dont want to wait a damn week to get it! I usually order from Midwest or Northern Brewer as they are in Minnesota, but it still takes a few days...

As for yeast. Im going to go ahead and use WPL001.

I'll let you know later.

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Alright, I'm set. I'm brewing tomorrow.
Here is the final recipe. I think we are close.

Celebration Ale

BJCP Style and Style Guidelines
14-B India Pale Ale, American IPA

Min OG: 1.056 Max OG: 1.075
Min IBU: 40 Max IBU: 72
Min Clr: 6 Max Clr: 15 Color in SRM, Lovibond


Recipe Specifics
Batch Size (Gal): 5.50 Wort Size (Gal): 5.50
Total Grain (Lbs): 13.50
Anticipated OG: 1.065 Plato: 15.79
Anticipated SRM: 9.6
Anticipated IBU: 62.0
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75 %
Wort Boil Time: 90 Minutes


Grain/Extract/Sugar
% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
90.6 12.00 lbs. Pale Malt(2-row) America 1.036 2
6.0 1.00 lbs. Crystal 80L America 1.033 90
3.8 0.50 lbs. Cara-Pils Dextrine Malt 1.033 2

Hops
Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
1.00 oz. Chinook Whole 13.00 48.0 60 min
1.00 oz. Centennial Whole 10.50 7.8 10 min
1.00 oz. Cascade Whole 5.75 4.2 10 min
1.00 oz. Cascade Whole 5.75 0.0 Dry Hop
1.00 oz. Centennial Whole 10.50 0.0 Dry Hop
1.00 oz. Chinook Whole 13.00 0.0 Dry Hop


I'm going to adjust my hop times a touch to make sure I get at least 62 IBUs.
These are the AA% for thehops I have--you may have to adjust.

One note on the crystal malt--my LHBS owner said a pound is fine--in fact recommended to balance the grain bill more because of all the 2-row. I bought a pound just in case we decided to up it.

I got a vial of WLP001 but I doubt I'm going to have time to do a starter. This concerns me.

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Since the doubling time for yeast is 2 hours, even an overnighter is better than pitching from the tube.

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Since the doubling time for yeast is 2 hours, even an overnighter is better than pitching from the tube.
I thought the doubling time for yeast was 24 hours? OR am I thinking of something else yeas related that takes 24 hrs?
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Well, I got my two kegs today...and thats about it! My LHBS was completely out of Dextrine(owners away on vacation), and doesnt carry 80L.

Soooooooo it was "order grains online" time.

Oh well, I did pick up a good vial of WLP001 anyway, and got their last two rebuilt kegs which are in great shape. I'll be doing a two day starter (my usual) and will be off and running once my order comes in.

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