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upstream 12-10-2012 10:16 PM

Recipe help
 
Hi guys,

I am trying to finish off some of the supplies I have before ordering new ingredients and I need some help on formulating a recipe out of this mess!

What I am basically looking for is a session beer on the hoppier side in the 5.5-6% ABV range around 5.5 gallons. I have just been throwing stuff together on my last couple of brews and they have been ok, but I am sure you guys can come up with some suggestions for me. Specially since the hops I have are mostly used for bittering so I assume it is a delicate art to use them as flavor and aroma hops.
This is what I have:

Grains: Malted wheat (50 lbs), Pilsner malt (40 lbs), Pale Ale Malt (14 lbs), Munich (9 lbs) and Caramel Malt (10 lbs).

Hops: Columbus, Galena and Perle (just under a pound each)

Dry yeast: Nottingham, Brewferm Blanche, Safbrew S-33 and T-58

Any suggestions?

Odin_Brews 12-10-2012 10:32 PM

Pale with a touch of crystal and munich, columbus FWH with perle in the middle and galena to finish

or....50-50 wheat-pilsner and perle at 60 and 15 minutes

ferment the first with Notty, the latter with ....not sure on that :)

upstream 12-10-2012 11:11 PM

Good suggestions! The Brewferm Blanche is good for wheat beers so I could use that one.

What about hop amounts? That is what I am most concerned about. I do not want to overdo it with these hops since I want these to be session beers.

Is that perhaps not such a big issue?

Odin_Brews 12-11-2012 11:06 AM

Then I might be the wrong person to ask, I brew hoppy most of the time! Looking quickly at wheat recipes on this forum I'd say you want your IBUs around 15....maybe .5oz perle at 60 and 15 would get you there, you'd have to check that though.

The other suggestion was more or less a pale ale, maybe shoot for around 30 IBU with about 1/2 to 2/3 of those coming from your colombus FWH (or just a normal bittering addition), then 1 oz Galena at 15 and 1 oz at 5. Ive never used Galena. You could tone that one down to a blonde as well if you prefer.

You have enough stuff there you could do some single hop session beers actually.

bobbrews 12-11-2012 01:34 PM

Odin gave you some great suggestions. FYI, 5.5 - 6.0 % abv is not even close to being a session beer. Session beers are 4% and below.

Galena is citrusy/clean and way more aromatic than Perle--which has subtle floral/spice notes. Columbus would be the most aromatic hop you have here with it's piney, citrusy, dank notes. In my opinion, your concept should be to bitter sparingly (use the lowly aromatic Perle for 20 IBUs @ 60) and then burst it with late additions & dryhops (Galena & Columbus).

upstream 12-11-2012 01:50 PM

Good point on the session beer definition bobbrews. I just looked it up and this is what Beer Advocate came up with:
Quote:

session beer
n.

Any beer that contains no higher than 5 percent ABV, featuring a balance between malt and hop characters (ingredients) and, typically, a clean finish - a combination of which creates a beer with high drinkability. The purpose of a session beer is to allow a beer drinker to have multiple beers, within a reasonable time period or session, without overwhelming the senses or reaching inappropriate levels of intoxication.
I suppose that I am looking for something similar but with an ABV of around 5.5 percent. And those pointers on the hop schedule was exactly what I was looking for. I will throw some stuff into Beersmith and see what I come up with based on your notes.

Thanks guys!

bobbrews 12-11-2012 02:00 PM

Yes. And the more purist definition (more commonly seen in Europe) ranges session beers at about 2-4% abv on average.

upstream 12-11-2012 11:12 PM

So, this is what I have come up with so far. I want to try single hopping with Columbus since Beersmith states that it was engineered as a substitute for Centennial. I have adjusted the hop alpha acids based on their age and storage methods so the precentages are a bit lower than you would expect for Columbus (was originally 13,2%).

Btw, I brew BIAB.

Any thoughts?
Code:

Recipe: Semi session Columbus
Brewer: Upstream
Style: American Pale Ale
TYPE: All Grain

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Batch Size: 25,00 L     
Boil Size: 31,02 L
Estimated OG: 1,057 SG
Estimated Color: 9,1 SRM
Estimated IBU: 38,7 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 80,00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
------------
Amount        Item                                      Type        % or IBU     
4,00 kg      Pale Malt (2 Row) UK (3,0 SRM)            Grain        66,67 %     
1,00 kg      Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L (20,0 SRM)    Grain        16,67 %     
1,00 kg      Munich Malt - 10L (10,0 SRM)              Grain        16,67 %     
20,00 gm      Columbus (Tomahawk) [10,40 %]  (60 min)  Hops        19,5 IBU     
28,30 gm      Columbus (Tomahawk) [10,40 %]  (15 min)  Hops        13,7 IBU     
28,30 gm      Columbus (Tomahawk) [10,40 %]  (5 min)    Hops        5,5 IBU     
0,33 tsp      Irish Moss (Boil 10,0 min)                Misc                     
1 Pkgs        Nottingham (Danstar #-)                  Yeast-Ale


Odin_Brews 12-12-2012 03:39 PM

Id cut the crystal in half so it's not too sweet. Otherwise looks excellent!

upstream 12-12-2012 09:50 PM

So this is what I brewed today:
Code:

Style: American Pale Ale
TYPE: All Grain

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Batch Size: 25,00 L     
Boil Size: 31,02 L
Estimated OG: 1,057 SG
Estimated Color: 7,3 SRM
Estimated IBU: 37,2 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 80,00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
------------
Amount        Item                                      Type        % or IBU     
3,00 kg      Pale Malt (2 Row) UK (3,0 SRM)            Grain        50,00 %     
1,50 kg      Pilsner (2 Row) UK (1,0 SRM)              Grain        25,00 %     
1,00 kg      Munich Malt - 10L (10,0 SRM)              Grain        16,67 %     
0,50 kg      Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L (20,0 SRM)    Grain        8,33 %       
20,00 gm      Columbus (Tomahawk) [10,40 %]  (60 min)  Hops        19,5 IBU     
28,30 gm      Columbus (Tomahawk) [10,40 %]  (15 min)  Hops        13,7 IBU     
33,00 gm      Columbus (Tomahawk) [10,40 %]  (3 min)    Hops        4,0 IBU     
0,33 tsp      Irish Moss (Boil 10,0 min)                Misc                     
1 Pkgs        Nottingham (Danstar #-)                  Yeast-Ale

I cut down the Caramel as suggested but ran out of Pale malt and had to add 1,5 kg of Pilsner malt to the grain bill. I decided just to boil for 60 minutes hoping it wont hurt the finished product. Should I have boiled for 90 minutes because of this modification?

The mash was at 66C (151F) and the whole brew day took just 4 hours with clean up! OG was 1.053 so maybe my efficiency is not quite at 80%...

I am thinking about dry hopping with Columbus as well, just for the fun of it. Any thoughts?

Next up will probably be an all wheat beer since I have so much of it and I am BIAB-ing so no mash problems :mug:


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