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Old 02-22-2007, 02:01 PM   #1
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I am thinking it might be useful to have a design discussion tied into the various styles in the recipe database. I am thinking a sticky related to each style that would discuss the style and particulars related to designing beers in that style.

I think it would be great to help people move away from simply brewing other people's recipes and onto understanding what makes particular recipes stand out.

If others agree I will lead the charge and start at the top of the recipe data base and plow down. But first I want to hear what others think and what information would be seen as helpful towards this effort. For example, my recipes tend to be all-grain and yet many extract brewers are out there, so the cross over will be important.

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Old 02-22-2007, 02:09 PM   #2
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I am thinking it might be useful to have a design discussion tied into the various styles in the recipe database. I am thinking a sticky related to each style that would discuss the style and particulars related to designing beers in that style.

I think it would be great to help people move away from simply brewing other people's recipes and onto understanding what makes particular recipes stand out.

If others agree I will lead the charge and start at the top of the recipe data base and plow down. But first I want to hear what others think and what information would be seen as helpful towards this effort. For example, my recipes tend to be all-grain and yet many extract brewers are out there, so the cross over will be important.
Are you planning on quoting BJCP guidelines/info?

Good idea.
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Old 02-22-2007, 02:11 PM   #3
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I like this idea, too. I'd recommend anyone starting to design their own get a copy of Designing Great Beers, which is phenomenal, I think, in this regard. With that said, there are a lot of styles that aren't covered, and there is always room for further discussion.

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think this is a great idea. Often, I just wing it when designing recipes. I'd love to know more about what makes great beers.

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I like the idea--there's a lot of collective experience here in brewing various styles.

Speaking of recipe design, Brewpastor, I notice that you mix base grains in a lot of your recipes (like e.g. 1/2 two-row, half pilsen). What's the strategy on that? I brewed your Bastard Lager (which uses that strategy) this fall and it was great, BTW.

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Old 02-22-2007, 02:18 PM   #6
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Are you planning on quoting BJCP guidelines/info?

Good idea.
I think that is a good starting place. Also the material around ingredients from dESIGNING gREAT bEERS WOULD BE USEFUL, ESPECIALLY IN SHOWING THE CORE INGREDIENTS IN A STYLE AND THE POSSIBLE VARIANTS IN THE SAME. (Sorry for all the caps. I am not shouting, I just hit the wrong key).
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BJCP guidelines are here, BTW:

http://www.bjcp.org/stylecenter.html

Downloaded them the other day so that I could speak more intelligently regarding adherence to style in the beer swap judging. Not that this is the most important issue at all, but it's something to be considered...

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Default A fabulous idea!

Tom, Having designed my own beers for the past seven years I'd be happy to provide you some assistance with this. I think the members, and visitors could stand to benefit from something useful that works in regards to recipes that have been tried and proven.
I can't imagine just grabbing any old recipe off the internet and running with it, without fully understanding the recipes components in relation the the brewing style.

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Tom, Having designed my own beers for the past seven years I'd be happy to provide you some assistance with this. I think the members, and visitors could stand to benefit from something useful that works in regards to recipes that have been tried and proven.
I can't imagine just grabbing any old recipe off the internet and running with it, without fully understanding the recipes components in relation the the brewing style.
Exactly. Now what are the basics we should cover?
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Default the basics

We should probably start out with base malts, and then move forward from there.

Discussing the merits of using domestic (depending on where you live), and imported malts, and how they can affect the final product.
For instance: blending malts....

Using a combo if domestic pilsner (North American) with German Pilsner to create a crisp clean lager. Choice of raw materials can contribute to natural flaws in beers (unbeknownst to most brewers)
I.E. the husky/grainy phenol present in some North american Malts that jsut isn't there in European malts. If this is too deep stop me now, and I'll migrate the disussion to more basic concepts, like which base malts to use in regards to styles, and which specialty grains fall into specific styles....

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