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Old 01-02-2013, 05:26 PM   #1
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There's a beer here in the Northeast being produced by Pretty Things called 1901 KK and it's a reproduction of a brew from London in 1901 taken from the original brew sheet, apparently. Anyhow, it's very good. They say the beer uses no roasted grains and gets the black color from sugar. Is this a hallmark of the KK style? Are they carmelizing the sugars first?

"Our KK boasts a black colour, cocoa-coloured head, and satisfying dryness with a substantial bitterness. Most of the colour of this beer comes from sugar, which is surprising and not something you see often these days – almost never here in the states."

Anybody have a recipe for one of these?

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Old 01-02-2013, 06:02 PM   #2
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Burton Ale, eh?

This blog should get you started.

http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/search/label/KK

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Here's an easier link for the recipes from there

http://www.unholymess.com/blog/lets-brew

There's a 1928 Barclay Perkins KK recipe that might be close to what you want

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Go to the barclay perkins blog mentioned above and directly contact Ron about that beer. They get the recipes from him. He was more than helpful to me with trying to replicate the pretty things 1855 EIP.

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Go to the barclay perkins blog mentioned above and directly contact Ron about that beer. They get the recipes from him. He was more than helpful to me with trying to replicate the pretty things 1855 EIP.
Fantastic, thanks for that info. And thanks to the previous repliers. Really enjoyed poking around those sites, especially the barclay perkins blog.

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I had trouble finding this as for some reason I thought it was a Barclay Perkins beer. It's actually from Whitbread.

This is the recipe for the original Whitbread beer:

pale malt 41.32%
mild ale malt 43.80%
brown malt 1.65%
No. 3 invert 13.22%
per 6 US gallons:
6 oz Goldings
3 oz Worcester hops
OG 1075.8
FG 1028.0

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I had trouble finding this as for some reason I thought it was a Barclay Perkins beer. It's actually from Whitbread.

This is the recipe for the original Whitbread beer:

pale malt 41.32%
mild ale malt 43.80%
brown malt 1.65%
No. 3 invert 13.22%
per 6 US gallons:
6 oz Goldings
3 oz Worcester hops
OG 1075.8
FG 1028.0
Many thanks! This beer would be at 6.6 srm if I'm correct, but the version Pretty Things produces is black. Any thoughts on that?

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Many thanks! This beer would be at 6.6 srm if I'm correct, but the version Pretty Things produces is black. Any thoughts on that?

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Dann used something more like No. 4 invert, I believe.

It was common to colour beers up to the correct shade with caramel. Not sure if Whitbread were doing that in 1901, but they certainly were in the 1920's. When the colour was about 25 SRM.
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Whatever program you're using must not be counting the color of the sugar properly. At over 13% of the bill, a dark sugar should change the color significantly. Dunno about black, but certainly over 6 or 7 SRM.

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Whatever program you're using must not be counting the color of the sugar properly. At over 13% of the bill, a dark sugar should change the color significantly. Dunno about black, but certainly over 6 or 7 SRM.
Good point, was moving quickly and entered inverted sugar into Beersmith which is listed at 0.0 srm. Not sure what the profile of #4 or #3 invert sugar would be or how to enter that in Beersmith... Anybody?
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