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brewtus72 01-21-2013 07:16 PM

pliney the elder clone
 
7lbs light or extra light DME
8oz crystal 45 malt
8oz carapils malt
12oz corn sugar added to boil


3.5oz Columbus hops @ 90 min
1.0oz Columbus hops @ 45 min
1.0oz simcoe hops @ 30 min
1.0oz centennial hops @ 15 min
2.5oz simcoe hops @ 5 min

Dry hop 1-5 day
1oz Columbus 1oz simcoe 1oz centennial

Second addition 5-10 day
.25oz simcoe .25oz centennial .25oz columbus

bobbrews 01-22-2013 01:04 PM

You don't need carapils when brewing an extract version of this beer. Extract already contains a percentage of carapils, presumably 3-6% total original grist. Furthermore, extract beers rarely have issues with head retention or body. If anything, you want more fermentability... which means more sugar. If you remove the carapils, you could go with a full 1 lb. of corn sugar here, which would then equal 12% of the fermentables.

I would not follow the all grain clone advice for an extract version of PtE. 90 minutes is a long time to boil extract. Very unnecessary. You might want to look into revising this schedule, as well as the hop amounts/times. If you want more fermentability, the proper color, and overall more of a "clone" of this beer, then you're much better off looking into a full volume boil Partial Mash version (if you can't brew via All Grain). You will definitely need to make an appropriate sized yeast starter as well.

Lastly, go with Extra Light Extract and add the majority of it at flameout. This will mostly help you attain a paler color and offer better hop utilization.

Gear101 01-22-2013 01:07 PM

Vinnie Cilurzo has it posted online it is the top one.


http://www.google.com/search?q=pliney+the+elder+clone&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-ContextMenu&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7ADRA_enUS431#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=1&gs_ri=serp&pq=pliny%20the%20elder%20clone&cp=23&gs_id=8&xhr=t&q=pliny+the+elder+clone+vinnie&es_nrs=true&pf=p&tbo=d&rls=com.microsoft:en-us%3AIE-ContextMenu&rlz=1I7ADRA_enUS431&sclient=psy-ab&oq=pliny+the+elder+clone+v&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41248874,d.b2I&fp=3725a230c1af26d4&biw=1024&bih=570

bobbrews 01-22-2013 01:20 PM

I am aware of the PDF. I'm not sure Vinnie Cilurzo "wrote" it... rather he was interviewed and the author of the article gave the reader something close to his recipe/techniques for the actual PtE. But one thing is for sure, Vinnie does not brew extract versions of PtE, nor do I think he would recommend it in an "audio" interview if cloning the beer is your goal. He would most likely urge All Grain, or at least Partial Mash.

If you wish, you can brew the dumbed down extract instructional from 2009 and see where it gets you. When you realize you end up at 1.018-1.020 FG and a flavor-aroma profile nothing like PtE, then maybe you can revisit this thread. I've also heard rumors in the past 2 years that some Amarillo was added late in the recipe.

brewtus72 01-22-2013 01:44 PM

Well that's why I wanted to put this up so so guys could adjust it for me for a proper extract version. Is this too much hops? I wanted to use this method of hopping its called bursting.

bobbrews 01-22-2013 01:47 PM

The hopping concept that Russian River employs for this beer is huge additions of everything...

*Huge early hop additions
*Huge middle hop additions
*Huge late hop additions (What we typically call, "Hop Bursting")
*Huge dry hop additions

So in theory, they burst it all.

Russian River follows a 90/45/30/0/DH hop schedule. However, this schedule can be bended a bit for a 60 minute extract version. I would do 60/30/15/0/DH.

I believe RR uses 12.5 oz. total hops for their 90 minute, full volume boil All Grain version (8 gallons in the kettle, 5 gallons in the fermenter). Pliny is dryhopped 3 or 4 times (in stages) with 0.75 oz. dryhops per gallon of beer for a total of 12-14 days. Without having much brewing experience or introducing C02, I would advise that you dryhop in one stage.

brewtus72 01-22-2013 02:02 PM

So should I just take out the carapils and use the 7lbs light dme and the 8oz crystal and use a pound of corn sugar? Then use the 60/30/15/0/dh cause I'm wanting to use the 5 gal extract version with a partial boil at prob 2.5 to 3 gallons. What do you think a good hop would be at each time of the boil. Like how many ounces to use at each addition?

bobbrews 01-22-2013 02:08 PM

Partial boil is probably the biggest mistake you could make if you want to brew a clone of such a hop forward beer.

I will post my partial mash clone in a bit and you can make tweaks and go from there.

HawksBrewer 01-22-2013 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbrews (Post 4812470)
If you wish, you can brew the dumbed down extract instructional from 2009 and see where it gets you. When you realize you end up at 1.018-1.020 FG and a flavor-aroma profile nothing like PtE, then maybe you can revisit this thread.

Unnecessary, condescending and certainly not helpful.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbrews (Post 4812558)
Without having much brewing experience or introducing C02, I would advise that you dryhop in one stage.

Again, unnecessary.

brewtus72 01-22-2013 02:15 PM

@hawksbrewer can you help me out. Can you tweak my problems I have in the recipe to help me with a proper one. I wanna do this right because this will be a 70 or 80 dollar batch to brew


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