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Old 09-21-2013, 10:10 PM   #1
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Default Pilsner Malt In IPA?

I've got a bunch of pilsner malt but I want to brew an IPA. Can I use this instead of 2 row? Was hoping to use Cali Ale yeast and Warrior, Columbus, Centennial and Amarillo hops. Can I use Crystal 40 with pils malt? I have a few pounds of 2 row...can it be combined with the pils malt and Crystal 40?

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Old 09-21-2013, 10:27 PM   #2
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You can, but it depends on how much you like pils. I believe that Stone used pils as their base in their 17th anniversary IPA and, personally, I wasn't a huge fan of it. It was different and definitely drinkable, but I prefer less contribution from my malt. I felt that it took away from the hops.

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Old 09-22-2013, 01:11 AM   #3
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Yes you can use the Pilsner malt in an IPA. Yes you can combine a pilsner and two row malt in an IPA. Smuttynose finest kind IPA uses a pils malt base. You will want to do a 90 minute boil when using pils malt. Hop choices and yeast seems great. Make a starter and hop burst late. Bitter with warrior and use the other three hops later on. Focus primarily on the dry hop. Don't overdo with the crystal malt. 4-5% should work. I'd also add some corn sugar.

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Old 09-22-2013, 02:17 AM   #4
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I really like pilsner malt for IPAs, IIPAs and pale ales. You might also!

American 2-row IMHO is only decent as a base malt because it is less expensive. I prefer European pilsner or Maris Otter or most often a combination of these.

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Thanks to all for the input. How does this recipe look?

11 lb. Pilsner malt
0.5 lb. Crystal 40
1 oz Warrior @ 60
1 oz Columbus @ 15
1 oz Centennial @ 15
2 oz Amarillo @ 0
2 oz Amarillo dry hop 1 week
Yeast: WLP001
Mash @ 152
90 min. boil

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Old 09-22-2013, 08:59 AM   #6
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pils malt is more common than you'd think in IPA type beers. the light malt allows hop flavors to shine a bit more.

bobbrews is right on the 90 minute boil. pils malt makes diacetyl pretty easily. you can defeat this by doing a longer boil. i would also recommend making your beer exceptionally bitter. that would cover any buttery popcorn flavors you might end up with.

if you're going this direction i would suggest fruity hop combinations. you can really get the most out of citra, amarillo, summit and other fruity cones if you add them super late in the boil on a pils base beer. maybe a little vienna or munich to balance out a bigger beer. stay away from caramel malts though as the light base malts will also push caramel flavors forward. unless you want that sort of thing.

I like to mix base malts in order to develop a nice malty flavor under a beer. i've cut 2row with maris otter, done a pils/vienna/munich beer in equal ratios and a few others based on the notion. i've noticed that cutting a base grain with pils really lets the other base grains shine. just like making a hoppy pils based lager lets hop flavors shine.

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Thanks to all for the input. How does this recipe look?

11 lb. Pilsner malt
0.5 lb. Crystal 40
1 oz Warrior @ 60
1 oz Columbus @ 15
1 oz Centennial @ 15
2 oz Amarillo @ 0
2 oz Amarillo dry hop 1 week
Yeast: WLP001
Mash @ 152
90 min. boil
That will make an excellent beer. I'd toss the centennial in at 5 min though.
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I do have 4 or 5 pounds of 2 row. What would be the effect of replacing some of the pils malt with this?

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Old 09-24-2013, 12:47 AM   #9
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Swapping out some of the pilsner malt for 2 row would be fine. I'd add an additional 1/2 lb. of the crystal 40 mainly for more color and definitely move the Centennial to a 5 minute addition.
Assuming this is five gallon batch, you would end up even still on the low side of color for and American IPA at 7.0 SRM if you swapped out the 5 lbs of Pilsner for 2-row.
Would be an awesome brew I would think.

Type: All Grain Date: 9/23/2013
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal
Boil Size: 7.64 gal Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 90 min Equipment: 5 Gallon Batch
End of Boil Volume 6.14 gal Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Final Bottling Volume: 5.00 gal Est Mash Efficiency 85.0 %
Fermentation: Ale, Two Stage Taste Rating(out of 50): 30.0
Taste Notes:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
6 lbs Pilsen Malt 2-Row (Briess) (1.0 SRM) Grain 1 50.0 %
5 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 2 41.7 %
1 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 3 8.3 %
1.00 oz Warrior [15.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 4 48.7 IBUs
1.00 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 5 22.6 IBUs
1.00 oz Centennial [10.00 %] - Aroma Steep 5.0 min Hop 7 0.0 IBUs
2.00 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Aroma Steep 0.0 min Hop 6 0.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg California Ale (White Labs #WLP001) [35.49 ml] Yeast 8 -

Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.063 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.013 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 6.6 %
Bitterness: 71.2 IBUs Calories: 151.6 kcal/12oz
Est Color: 7.0 SRM

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Old 09-24-2013, 01:40 AM   #10
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Dig it- I'm trying it. It is a 5 gallon batch. Thanks for running my numbers through mblanks2. I haven't purchased any software yet.

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