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Old 07-15-2008, 03:26 AM   #1
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Default Palmer / Brewing Classic Recipes - yeast question

Why does all his recipes called for TWO Wyeats packets! Is there that big of an advantage to this????

Bang for buck is it worth it?

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I don't think he likes making starters. No more reason than that.

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There aren't enough yeast cells in one pack to do the job properly.
Most brewers make a starter with liquid yeast a day or two ahead.
Then there are more healthy cells awake and ready to go.

Maybe yeast was cheaper back then, but I'd rather use 50 cents
worth of LME than another 6 dollar vial of yeast.

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I wonder if when he says 2 Wyeast American Ale 1056 he is NOT talking about the slap packs the Activator deal???

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It's to ensure that you get enough viable yeast for a healthy ferment. If you want to skip a starter you need to use 2 vials or smack packs. A 1L starter will give you approximately the same amount of yeast as 2 vials.

10-11G of properly hydrated dry yeast is also ideal.

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I wonder if when he says 2 Wyeast American Ale 1056 he is NOT talking about the slap packs the Activator deal???
No, he's actually suggesting two packages. Most of us will do a starter. Even though they say "pitchable" on the packages, they really aren't adequate. You can make a starter a couple of days in advance, though, which will give you enough yeast cells to pitch plus ensure your yeast is viable.

There is a pitching calculator on mrmalty.com that can show you the specifics of yeast cell counts to pitch.
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If you look in Appendix A, it explains about pitching rates and starters. There is even a table that will let you "convert" from 2 packs to however many packs with the appropriate starter (in this case one pack and a 2 liter starter).

Or you can use this:
http://www.mrmalty.com/calc/calc.html

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I don't think that it's that JZ doesn't like making starters, I just think it's easier for him to tell people "use two packets" than it is to give them instructions on starters every time. If you listen to his podcast, he always says "X packets, or an X-mL starter".

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Maybe yeast was cheaper back then, but I'd rather use 50 cents
worth of LME than another 6 dollar vial of yeast.
Actually BCS was published pretty recently, and JZ still, even on his new podcasts, will tell you to use a couple packets...so he's fully aware of the current price of liquid yeast. I think that he's more concerned with making good beer than saving you money...but personally, I'm also of the mindset that pitching two vials/packets is only a last resort, if you don't have time to make a starter or something along those lines. Hell, on a given batch, if the entirety of the ingredients (with one yeast packet) costs me $18, then, depending on where I buy it, another pack of yeast is going to raise my costs by anywhere from 30-50%. Six bucks once or twice isn't a big deal, but after long enough it adds up.
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CORRET ME IF I'M WRONG, I JUST ASSUMED HE WAS GIVING ALTERNATIVE YEAST STRAINS FOR THE RECIPE, MORE LIKE AN EITHER OR, NOT BOTH. iF I REMEMBER, THEY WERE NEVER THE SAME BRAND OR STYLE, JUST A WHITE LABS BRAND ,AND THEN ALTERNATIVELY A WYEAST ONE OF SIMILAR STYLE. aTLEAST THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER....

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CORRET ME IF I'M WRONG, I JUST ASSUMED HE WAS GIVING ALTERNATIVE YEAST STRAINS FOR THE RECIPE, MORE LIKE AN EITHER OR, NOT BOTH. iF I REMEMBER, THEY WERE NEVER THE SAME BRAND OR STYLE, JUST A WHITE LABS BRAND ,AND THEN ALTERNATIVELY A WYEAST ONE OF SIMILAR STYLE. aTLEAST THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER....
Whoah, there, big fella, no need to yell!

Relax. Take a deep breath. Step away from the caps lock.

Yes, he usually gives 3 choices: a White Labs strain, a Wyeast strain, and a dry strain. The OP wasn't asking about that, he was asking why some recipes call for two whole packets of one yeast. And yes, in addition to giving you 3 yeast choices, he is actually saying to use two packs of that yeast.
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