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01-07-2013, 03:22 PM
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Orange Zest: Potential infections and long term stability problems?
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Hi,
I'm thinking about using zest in a wheat beer.
Are there any potential issues with the zest infecting the beer, or causing any long term stability issues? If so, how do I get around this?
I was planning on cleaning the fruit by dunking it in a 1% peracetic acid prior to zesting, will this be sufficient for cleaning the fruit?
I will be adding the zest at the end of the boil.
Cheers!
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01-07-2013, 04:17 PM
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I usually add my fresh zest within 5 minutes of the end of the boil, or right at the end of the boil. Five minutes at ~212F is sufficient for killing most bugs. If I add at the end of the boil, I let it steep at 190-200F for about 10 or 15 minutes during whirlpool. With either method, I've never had any issues with contamination. Hope this helps!
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01-07-2013, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiber_Brew
I usually add my fresh zest within 5 minutes of the end of the boil, or right at the end of the boil. Five minutes at ~212F is sufficient for killing most bugs. If I add at the end of the boil, I let it steep at 190-200F for about 10 or 15 minutes during whirlpool. With either method, I've never had any issues with contamination. Hope this helps!
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this. I usually dont do fresh orange zest though. I usually buy Sweet Orange Peels. 5 mins in boil is usually the best time to add these. If it's any addition after the boil as per the recipe, just boil them in a cup of water for a few mins to sterilize, then make your addition.
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01-07-2013, 04:49 PM
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I've added orange zest at the end of the boil for two different beers, and I've used some in secondary on another beer. The one I put in secondary, I scrubbed the oranges using organic soap (and hot water), zested the oranges, then let the zest soak in some 100 proof vodka. I don't know if that's the best way to do it, but it worked for me. Go easy on the zest though. I used too much and gave my beer a little grapefruit smell/bitterness...it's slowly going away though.
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01-07-2013, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by looneybomber
I've added orange zest at the end of the boil for two different beers, and I've used some in secondary on another beer. The one I put in secondary, I scrubbed the oranges using organic soap (and hot water), zested the oranges, then let the zest soak in some 100 proof vodka. I don't know if that's the best way to do it, but it worked for me. Go easy on the zest though. I used too much and gave my beer a little grapefruit smell/bitterness...it's slowly going away though.
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If you're getting bitterness, perhaps you're getting some of the pith with your zest? What method are you using to get the zest? Or did you add a LOT of zest to the secondary?
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On tap:
1. Bock 2. Pale Ale 3. Blonde 4. Saison 5.[Nitrogen] Dry Stout
Primary:
1. Pale 2. Pale 3. None 4. None 5. None
Secondary:
1. Lambic x2 2. Brett Ale 3. Thimbleberry Lambic x2
Bottled:
About 56 gallons of beer & 7.5 gallons of mead
Kegged & conditioning:
Porter x2, Saison, Pale Ale, Pilsner x2 (lagering)
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01-07-2013, 04:51 PM
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100 proof vodka or everclear would work, just be sure to use as little as possible, especially if your using everclear or a low grade vodka. It doesnt take much to make a noticeable presence in your beer. I'd say 1/2 to 1 cup max.
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01-07-2013, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiber_Brew
If you're getting bitterness, perhaps you're getting some of the pith with your zest? What method are you using to get the zest? Or did you add a LOT of zest to the secondary?
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I used an apple pealer and had little to no pith, but I did use zest from either 3 or 5 large oranges, I can't remember. I think I used too much.
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01-07-2013, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by looneybomber
I used an apple pealer and had little to no pith, but I did use zest from either 3 or 5 large oranges, I can't remember. I think I used too much.
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I see.
I use a zest peeler like this one, and it does a good job of leaving the pith behind. (click image to view at Amazon)

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On tap:
1. Bock 2. Pale Ale 3. Blonde 4. Saison 5.[Nitrogen] Dry Stout
Primary:
1. Pale 2. Pale 3. None 4. None 5. None
Secondary:
1. Lambic x2 2. Brett Ale 3. Thimbleberry Lambic x2
Bottled:
About 56 gallons of beer & 7.5 gallons of mead
Kegged & conditioning:
Porter x2, Saison, Pale Ale, Pilsner x2 (lagering)
My 1/2 BBL electric HERMS build | Homemade hot sauce
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01-07-2013, 11:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiber_Brew
I see.
I use a zest peeler like this one, and it does a good job of leaving the pith behind. (click image to view at Amazon)

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Oh that would have been great to have. I ended up putting my orange peal along with the vodka in a sanitized hand blender/chopper thing of my wife's to get it into much smaller pieces. Poor boys have poor ways I guess.
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Queue: King Tut ale, BIG barleywine, Desire mead, AHS Aniv Wit, Lemon wheat, Blond rye.
Fermenting: Skeeter pee w/cranberry
Secondary: Electrical engineering finals in 1 day.
Bottled: <1.060: Bluemoon
<1.090: Rye wheat ale, spiced tripel, tripel w/orange, baltic porter, skeeter pee lemon, skeeter pee lime
<1.110: Reverend clone, IIPA. Chocolate RIS, Bourbon Barrel Quad, chocolate RIS w/oak & whiskey
>1.110 OG: Double W (inspired) stout, Choco milk Czar, Mephistopheles (inspired) stout..
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01-08-2013, 10:20 AM
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