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Old 01-18-2007, 04:26 PM   #1
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Default No love for Copper Ales?

I live in the great PacNW, and I'm personally blessed to live within spitting distance of Redhook Brewery, no they're not the best around, but it was their Chinook Copper Ale that was the first beer that I tried and said "Dang, I actually like this". Since then they rebranded that beer as Copperhook and have made it a seasonal beer. Its also SWMBO's favorite beer and I'd really love to be able to clone it. I'm still fairly new to this whole thing and I've looked through the recipe databases that I can find but definately no mention of this beer, heck its hard to find ANY copper ale beers. Anyone have any ideas? Its got a hoppier crisper bite than the ESB, but maltier than a pale ale.

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Old 01-18-2007, 04:35 PM   #2
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Isn't redhook owned by Anheiser-busch?

Not that it makes any difference just curious.

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Old 01-18-2007, 04:52 PM   #3
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"Copper Ale" is not a really well defined style, although I have had a few commercial beers that were called that. I'd think of it as an APA or similar beer, but with a maltier grainbill using munich malt (which also gives a copper color).

You might want to take a look at this recipe of mine, whihc was one of the best beers I've ever made:

http://hbd.org/cgi-bin/recipator/rec...up=3&item=5637

If you upped the munich on this, I think it's pretty-much be a copper ale.

I've also brewed Brew Pastor's Bastard Lager (you can search for it here), which is a California Common with quite a bit in common with that APA recipe of mine.

If you're an extract brewer, you can get munich LME from Northern Brewer and maybe from other places.

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Old 01-18-2007, 04:58 PM   #4
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Check out midwestsupplies Copper Ale kit. I've purchased this, but not yet brewed it as I'm working on modifying the recipe a tad to up the IBU slightly.

As you'll see from the ingredient list, it's hopped (bittering) with Chinook and rounded out with Williamette; also has the munich someone mentioned above:

"Our ingredients for this recipe include 6 lbs Gold malt extract, 1 lb Light DME, 8 oz Munich, 1/8 lb Roasted Barley, Caramel 80L (pre-mixed), 1 oz Chinook, 1 oz Willamette, priming sugar, muslin bag, and yeast."

Since I plan to do only a partial boil on this one (1.5 gallons maybe) since it's too cold out to use the turkey frier, I plan on upping the hops a tad (I've already purchased additional Chinook and Williamette) to up the IBU. When I ran the original recipe in beersmith with only 1.5 gallon boil I didn't get a very impressive IBU (actually seemed very low, as in below 15), so I'm aiming for about 30 or a little below after some modification. I also plan to add some flameout hops (Perle) for a different hop profile/aroma. Let me know if you want my modified recipe or anything...

EDIT: Here is my recipe for a 1.5 Gallon Boil - Suggestions welcome from everyone...

Type: Extract
Batch Size: 5.00 gal
Boil Size: 1.50 gal Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 60 min

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Amount Item Type % or IBU
1.00 lb Light Dry Extract (8.0 SRM) Dry Extract 12.7 % 60 Min Boil
6.00 lb Pale Liquid Extract (8.0 SRM) Extract 76.1 % 60 Min Boil
0.50 lb Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 6.3 % Steep All Grain at 155
0.25 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 80L (80.0 SRM) Grain 3.2 %
0.13 lb Roasted Barley (300.0 SRM) Grain 1.6 %
1.25 oz Chinook [12.40%] (60 min) Hops 17.2 IBU
0.75 oz Chinook [12.40%] (30 min) Hops 8.0 IBU
1.00 oz Williamette [5.40%] (10 min) Hops 2.2 IBU
1.00 oz Perle [6.00%] (1 min) Hops 0.3 IBU
1 Pkgs German Ale (Wyeast Labs #1007) Yeast-Ale

Beer Profile
Est Original Gravity: 1.053 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.013 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5.2 %
Bitterness: 27.7 IBU
Est Color: 13.2 SRM

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Isn't redhook owned by Anheiser-busch?

Not that it makes any difference just curious.
It may have changed, but originally when the deal was set-up they just had the distribution end of things and not total ownership.
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Old 01-18-2007, 05:13 PM   #6
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http://www.anheuser-busch.com/beer/beer_brands.html This shows them as an alliance partner, basically they use Anheuser-Busch to distribute some of their beers, as does Widmer Brothers. (this however was news to me, I hadn't ever heard this)
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Red Hook still trades publicly, under the symbol HOOK. I *think* AB owns a chunk of their stock, but I'll have to look that up to confirm. They aren't a 100% owner, at least.

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Type: Extract
Batch Size: 5.00 gal
Boil Size: 1.50 gal Asst Brewer:
Would there be any problem with me brewing this as a full boil? Does that change things too much with the recipe? (noob question!)
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
1.00 lb Light Dry Extract (8.0 SRM) Dry Extract 12.7 % 60 Min Boil
6.00 lb Pale Liquid Extract (8.0 SRM) Extract 76.1 % 60 Min Boil
0.50 lb Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 6.3 % Steep All Grain at 155
0.25 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 80L (80.0 SRM) Grain 3.2 %
0.13 lb Roasted Barley (300.0 SRM) Grain 1.6 %
1.25 oz Chinook [12.40%] (60 min) Hops 17.2 IBU
0.75 oz Chinook [12.40%] (30 min) Hops 8.0 IBU
1.00 oz Williamette [5.40%] (10 min) Hops 2.2 IBU
1.00 oz Perle [6.00%] (1 min) Hops 0.3 IBU
1 Pkgs German Ale (Wyeast Labs #1007) Yeast-Ale

Beer Profile
Est Original Gravity: 1.053 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.013 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5.2 %
Bitterness: 27.7 IBU
Est Color: 13.2 SRM
Looks like a hoppy red ale to me. I'm not a big hop head so tend to make most my beers on the maltier side.
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Old 01-18-2007, 06:48 PM   #10
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Maybe this is splitting hairs or arguing over semantics, but would you really describe an ale with a BU:GU of about .5 as "hoppy?"

(Yes, I know: it does have non-trivial flavor and aroma hops additions.)

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