Need a BarleyWine Recipe using EKG. - Page 2

**Bobby_M** · 06-24-2008, 08:55 PM

Ok, thread resurrection time. I'm brewing this partigyle this coming weekend and I'm likely using 23lbs MO base with 1lb Crystal 80, 1lb Crystal 120. First, anyone think this is too much crystal? Also, does the smaller beer sound to be about right for an ESB? I'll base the hop schedule for both on the actual OGs I measure. I'd shoot for 90IBU on the BW and 30 on the ESB, all EKG. Here's where I'm going completely wrong. I'm using a US-05 yeast cake for both fermented at 70F... Ouch, flame suit on.

The Blow Leprechaun · 06-24-2008, 09:01 PM

I think it's too much crystal. This is a barleywine, it's going to be very malty and sweet, it doesn't need the crystal to help it.

JW Lees barleywine is only MO, no specialty grains at all... you don't have to do anything really creative to make a great barleywine

**Bobby_M** · 06-24-2008, 11:14 PM

So here's something else I'm thinking. Mash straight MO for the barleywine and then steep some crystal 80 in the second runnings to darken up the ESB.

The Blow Leprechaun · 06-25-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby_M

So here's something else I'm thinking. Mash straight MO for the barleywine and then steep some crystal 80 in the second runnings to darken up the ESB.

That sounds like a pretty good idea to me, although I heard someone mention on another forum doing experiments and feeling like steeped crystal malt is what actually produces "extract twang." It wasn't a very scientific experiment, and I don't think anyone tried to repeat it, but I thought I'd mention it as fair warning.

sirsloop · 06-25-2008, 02:52 PM

I like the idea of winging two batches together, sounds like its right up my alley. A little of this, a little of that, voila beer! It is nice to have a set recipe incase one of them turns out to be awesome. Lol... every time you want to make a batch of this barleywine you'll be making another batch of ESB with the 2nd runnings...LOL.

**Bobby_M** · 06-25-2008, 03:32 PM

While Beertoolspro doesn't really have a partigyle calculator, I'm pretty sure I've figured out how to do it using 3 recipe files. The first one is a master file containing the entire grain bill and mash/lauter schedule. This is like the sugar management file. I have it set so first runnings is what I plan my BW preboil to be and second runnings to what I want the ESB to be. Then I kick off two new files for each of the beers whereby my grain bill and efficiency setting is what I suspect the OGs will be so that I get the hop schedule into a reasonable range.

It's a little tricky but I think first runnings is going to be about 60% efficiency which I think is typical of a no sparge of this size bill. The ESB is solely based on a single batch sparge and drain which should be about 30% of the total grain potential. Incidentally, this adds up to my typical efficiency of 90%. The truth is, I'm going to modify the recipe on the fly based on the actual OGs I get.

The Blow Leprechaun · 06-25-2008, 04:01 PM

The nice thing about following the barleywine up with a bitter is that if your second runnings come in low, voila you have a special or ordinary bitter!

I'm planning to do a barleywine every year on New Years Day, and I think I love the idea of creating another beer with second runnings on that day. Now I just need to find a place that will sell me EKG hops by the boatload.

**doggage** · 08-13-2009, 12:40 PM

Any update on how this turned out?

**Bobby_M** · 08-13-2009, 03:46 PM

Yeah, both the BW and ESB were wonderful. I have a small amount of BW left but it's been scoring in the 38 and 39's in various comps over the past year. The ESB was a good session beer and lasted about 3 weeks. I have the BW recipe posted in the database under "her majesty's pleasure".